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*Official* 2nd Test at the MA Chidambaram Stadium, Chennai, 13 - 17 Feb 2021

theegyptian

theegyptian

International Vice-Captain
If the toss didn't matter wouldn't you expect a more 50/50 split of bat/bowl?

A few stats I've quickly compiled -

Since the start of 2010

Tests involving India in India - 3 (5.8%) out of 52 have bowled first
Tests involving England in England - 27 (37%) out of 73 have bowled first
Tests involving Australia in Australia - 11 (18.3%) out of 60 have bowled first
Tests involving Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka - 8 (16.7%) out of 48 have bowled first
Tests involving New Zealand in New Zealand - 40 (87%) out of 46 have bowled first
Tests involving South Africa in South Africa - 19 (35.8%) out of 53 have bowled first


Suggests India is more toss dependent than the other countries I've looked at. South Africa and England tend to offer a tougher choice at the toss between batting and bowling. You don't even need to look at the pitch in India to know you should probably bat first.



All of that being said the skills levels of the two teams is obviously a much bigger factor in determining the winner of the match than the toss. India have been dominant at home whilst losing the toss plenty. India are a much better side in these conditions than England.
 
Manee

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Toss has made a big difference but I think Axar also has made a huge difference. More pressure for Ashwin to capitalise upon and some wickets.
 
honestbharani

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Whatever it takes!!!
theegyptian said:
If the toss didn't matter wouldn't you expect a more 50/50 split of bat/bowl?

A few stats I've quickly compiled -

Since the start of 2010

Tests involving India in India - 3 (5.8%) out of 52 have bowled first
Tests involving England in England - 27 (37%) out of 73 have bowled first
Tests involving Australia in Australia - 11 (18.3%) out of 60 have bowled first
Tests involving Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka - 8 (16.7%) out of 48 have bowled first
Tests involving New Zealand in New Zealand - 40 (87%) out of 46 have bowled first
Tests involving South Africa in South Africa - 19 (35.8%) out of 53 have bowled first


Suggests India is more toss dependent than the other countries I've looked at. South Africa and England tend to offer a tougher choice at the toss between batting and bowling. You don't even need to look at the pitch in India to know you should probably bat first.



All of that being said the skills levels of the two teams is obviously a much bigger factor in determing the winner of the match than the toss. India have been dominant at home whilst losing the toss plenty. India are a much better side in these conditions than England.
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Let me put it this way, the toss wouldn't matter between two equal sides. And the fact that most teams decide to do the same thing when they win the toss does not mean the toss is more important. It just means the conditions dictate they bat first a lot more, which is expected in India due to the heat etc. and the wickets being more spin friendly in general.

And if you really want to compare how dependent teams are on the toss, try looking at win percentages after winning tosses. The stat you have provided is completely pointless and out of context.
 
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honestbharani said:
I think it is obvious to anyone with basic cricket knowledge that the toss was more crucial in the last game than this game, and the toss in India is only as important as the toss is, in any other part of the world where you play cricket.
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So you’re admitting that you don’t have basic cricket knowledge?
 
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theegyptian said:
If the toss didn't matter wouldn't you expect a more 50/50 split of bat/bowl?

A few stats I've quickly compiled -

Since the start of 2010

Tests involving India in India - 3 (5.8%) out of 52 have bowled first
Tests involving England in England - 27 (37%) out of 73 have bowled first
Tests involving Australia in Australia - 11 (18.3%) out of 60 have bowled first
Tests involving Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka - 8 (16.7%) out of 48 have bowled first
Tests involving New Zealand in New Zealand - 40 (87%) out of 46 have bowled first
Tests involving South Africa in South Africa - 19 (35.8%) out of 53 have bowled first


Suggests India is more toss dependent than the other countries I've looked at. South Africa and England tend to offer a tougher choice at the toss between batting and bowling. You don't even need to look at the pitch in India to know you should probably bat first.
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These stats suggest a probably more homogenized nature of pitches than any genuine advantage gained by the toss. There arent many pitches in India that favour bowling first. Result after winning/losing the toss would give a better idea I suppose.
 
honestbharani

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Here is where England are losing this game, they seem to have been bitten by the Butcheritis (and KP-itis and Vaughan-itis, probably). Ben Foakes said this in the post day's play interview:

Ben Foakes said:
It's so dry and spitting so much and the odd ball shoots low as well.
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1 ball kept low in two days, 1 ball. That was an undercutter by Moeen which landed waaaaaaaay wide of offstump and went through, not even shockingly low. And yet he is seeing demons in the pitch that do not exist.
 
theegyptian

theegyptian

International Vice-Captain
honestbharani said:
Let me put it this way, the toss wouldn't matter between two equal sides. And the fact that most teams decide to do the same thing when they win the toss does not mean the toss is more important. It just means the conditions dictate they bat first a lot more, which is expected in India due to the heat etc. and the wickets being more spin friendly in general.

And if you really want to compare how dependent teams are on the toss, try looking at win percentages after winning tosses. The stat you have provided is completely pointless and out of context.
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lol you are suggesting that the toss doesn't impact anything? wot? ok?
 
honestbharani

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Robbie said:
Take 10 for 80 in the morning and England might be left with a 20-1 shot.
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It is gonna be tough to come back and even I dont think they are winning here but they have to fight and ensure they get to the 3rd test in a better frame of mind. One thing to do would be to not think of the game situation fully. Just concentrate on bowling out India for less than 250. Set smaller goals, achieve them and go in to the next leg in a good frame of mind. And miracles do happen in cricket.

I mean, even if India do win this test, it is still 1-1, England hold the trophy and can still make it to the WTC if they win 3-1. We were outgunned in Perth in the 2018 BG series after a good win in Adelaide but we came back and dominated the rest of the series. And we showed reasonable fight even in Perth. I feel that is what England should aim for here.
 
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