*Official* 2022 New Zealand Tour of England, Ireland, Scotland & Netherlands

[jcas0167]

Ah the noughties, where we (ok John Bracewell) jerked around a succession of batsmen by making them open, none of whom went on to have long careers for NZ.
Vincent, Sinclair, Fulton, the Marshalls (briefly), have I forgotten any?

Yes, most listed would have struggled long term to make the grade anyway, but being opener or nothing can't have helped.

Young is a better batsman than those above I think, though debateable against the two that went on to rack up enormous domestic runs and may have contributed more to NZ if they'd been allowed a good run at preferred spots of 4/5/6 - Sinclair and Fulton.

Redmond?

 

[SteveNZ]

Ah the noughties, where we (ok John Bracewell) jerked around a succession of batsmen by making them open, none of whom went on to have long careers for NZ.
Vincent, Sinclair, Fulton, the Marshalls (briefly), have I forgotten any?

Yes, most listed would have struggled long term to make the grade anyway, but being opener or nothing can't have helped.

Young is a better batsman than those above I think, though debateable against the two that went on to rack up enormous domestic runs and may have contributed more to NZ if they'd been allowed a good run at preferred spots of 4/5/6 - Sinclair and Fulton.

Absolutely, then add Guptill, Daniel Flynn, Rob Nicol if we're stretching etc. Even tried it with Stephen Fleming for a while.

And let us never forget that John Bracewell decided to bat Kyle Mills at 3 one day. Chasing 250 for victory. Against SA. In SA. That was the best.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

I will never forget

 

[Flem274*]

Redmond, Flynn and Nicol volunteered at domestic level tbf. They were proactive fringe players who saw a job opening and had a crack.

Central and NZC have had very different views of how to best use Will Young, who only opened for us a bit last season and had to go to County for practice. It's not like Hay's opening partners have been dominant either, it was definitely a "he's by far our best #3 available".

 

[Shady Slim]

First innings batting average of 22.03 over the past five years.

the openers who've been dismissed for **** all on the first morning of this illustrious period
keaton jennings
alistair cook
kraigg brathwaite
kieron powell
mark stoneman
m vijay in his late career
kl rahul
rory burns
jason roy
rory burns again
jason roy again
tom latham
will young

i put to you that aside from cook latham and kraigg b (who at the time was in a huge slump) all of these players are a bit ****

 

[straw man]

Redmond, Flynn and Nicol volunteered at domestic level tbf. They were proactive fringe players who saw a job opening and had a crack.

Central and NZC have had very different views of how to best use Will Young, who only opened for us a bit last season and had to go to County for practice. It's not like Hay's opening partners have been dominant either, it was definitely a "he's by far our best #3 available".

Yeah I'd put middle order batsmen who consciously tried to adapt themselves into openers at a domestic level to make the NZ side in a slightly different category.

I'm pleased Young moved from 4 up to 3 for CD to test himself more against the new ball, but an NZ opener (or 3) he is not. Is he one of the best 4/5 batsmen in the country? Questionable when Conway, Nicholls and sometimes Mitchell occupy those spots, so comes back to difficult question of whether it's worth shifting Conway to open or not to make room for Young in the middle order.

 

[straw man]

And let us never forget that John Bracewell decided to bat Kyle Mills at 3 one day. Chasing 250 for victory. Against SA. In SA. That was the best.

That was the absolute pinnacle of the Bracewell era.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

The best part was that Steyn or someone was like "yeah, as soon as we saw this guy coming in to bat at 3 we knew we'd won."

 

[Flem274*]

Yeah I'd put middle order batsmen who consciously tried to adapt themselves into openers at a domestic level to make the NZ side in a slightly different category.

I'm pleased Young moved from 4 up to 3 for CD to test himself more against the new ball, but an NZ opener (or 3) he is not. Is he one of the best 4/5 batsmen in the country? Questionable when Conway, Nicholls and sometimes Mitchell occupy those spots, so comes back to difficult question of whether it's worth shifting Conway to open or not to make room for Young in the middle order.

In terms of ability I'd rank the selected

Williamson
Conway
CdG
Latham
Young
Nicholls
Mitchell
Bracewell

Results vary ofc. Latham routinely underachieves in SENA conditions. CdG is CdG.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

The trouble was that we had a lot of good options for the middle order around that time (assuming McCullum at 7 and Vettori at 8); Fleming (also opened a bit, but did best at 3), Astle, McMillan, Styris, Oram, and late career Cairns. Then as those guys retired, young Ross and Jesse emerged.

 

[Bahnz]

That was the absolute pinnacle of the Bracewell era.

Loses points for not committing to the quirk and sending Martin out to bat at 4.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

the openers who've been dismissed for **** all on the first morning of this illustrious period
keaton jennings
alistair cook
kraigg brathwaite
kieron powell
mark stoneman
m vijay in his late career
kl rahul
rory burns
jason roy
rory burns again
jason roy again
tom latham
will young

i put to you that aside from cook latham and kraigg b (who at the time was in a huge slump) all of these players are a bit ****

KL Rahul is class. Didn't he get a century at Lords last year?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Don't know if I'd call him a "class" Test player. He's not terrible though

 

[SteveNZ]

the openers who've been dismissed for **** all on the first morning of this illustrious period
keaton jennings
alistair cook
kraigg brathwaite
kieron powell
mark stoneman
m vijay in his late career
kl rahul
rory burns
jason roy
rory burns again
jason roy again
tom latham
will young

i put to you that aside from cook latham and kraigg b (who at the time was in a huge slump) all of these players are a bit ****

It's OK to say you might not have got it completely right. I tell my mrs this every day.

 

[trundler]

Yeah just take the L bro

 

[TheJediBrah]

Someone admitting they're wrong on cricket web is a once in a year type of occurrence

 

[Starfighter]

the openers who've been dismissed for **** all on the first morning of this illustrious period
keaton jennings
alistair cook
kraigg brathwaite
kieron powell
mark stoneman
m vijay in his late career
kl rahul
rory burns
jason roy
rory burns again
jason roy again
tom latham
will young

i put to you that aside from cook latham and kraigg b (who at the time was in a huge slump) all of these players are a bit ****

A) that's team average
B) why doesn't this apply at the other grounds then?

Players	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave
Old Trafford, Manchester	2017-2020	5	54	7	1919	211	40.82
Edgbaston, Birmingham	2017-2021	4	42	4	1322	243	34.78
The Rose Bowl, Southampton	2018-2021	5	53	5	1392	267	29.00
Kennington Oval, London	2017-2021	4	44	4	1093	112	27.32
Trent Bridge, Nottingham	2017-2021	3	33	3	803	97	26.76
Lord's, London	2017-2022	9	99	9	1983	200	22.03
Headingley, Leeds	2017-2021	4	44	4	644	100	16.10

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

 

[OverratedSanity]

Damn. Shady BTFO

 

[TheJediBrah]

Shady didn't do his preparation before taking on this case

 

[trundler]

That's what I call a fatality.