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*Official* 2022 New Zealand Tour of England, Ireland, Scotland & Netherlands
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nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Not a bad thing though, we have been struggling with lower order runs for quite some time now. The top order will get struck in, no doubt about that once the test series starts. Good thing is even Ajaz is looking like a reasonable batsman. Wagner looked like a middle order batsman. Kyle also scored some runs. I guess the practice games are valuable for these reasons.
Young has been scoring lot of runs of late, Latham will be all right you feel although it is never easy against the new ball. Kane's timing looked intact in the number of balls he played, Conway will get runs no matter what the conditions and quality of bowling is, CDG among reasonable runs as well, D Mitchell looked in very good touch. Blundell may be struggling a bit but if the top order scores runs he will too.
I'll be more worried about bowling, we weren't hitting good areas with the new ball in general.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Love your optimism! It helps offset my innate pessimism.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Those LBWs as well... all three would have been over turned. Young way forward, struck on the knee the ball would have missed the stumps on height. Conway struck on middle and leg, Porter bowling wide off the crease nipping it a long way would have missed the stumps comfortably. Blundell smashed it but was given out. We'd be 3 wickets less technically if it was a test match.
To me, that's the issue with playing a non-FC game. The intensity of it doesn't go an inch towards replicating Test match batting in particular. I honestly think you get **** all out of playing 12 a side - I know Kane came late and wanted a hit, but when you make it non-FC and a bit Mickey Mouse, you drain the intensity out of the match practice. It becomes an open wicket net.
OK yeah I have heard the balls are doing less, and I didn't know it'd been a dry summer. Will be interesting
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
It's quite a fitting warmup for these guys tbh. They've clocked out, this isnt a retirement/injury induced decline like 1989 and 2004.
Too good to drop, not really enough depth to voluntarily replace the world class players, but they're phoning it in.
Its novel, we've never been here before ..
Too good to drop, not really enough depth to voluntarily replace the world class players, but they're phoning it in.
Its novel, we've never been here before ..
Moss
International Captain
Was the overlap with the IPL as big a factor on previous tours? Feels like the preparation is quite suspect though I suppose any warmup is good warmup these days.
If you think about it, there is a certain amount of retirement/injury induced change going on. Taylor, Watling, plus Kane’s fitness and Boult’s reduced availability. CdG and Wagner aren’t too far away from retirement either. I feel like the excessive focus on T20 world cups has distracted from issues around the test team (and we’ve momentarily forgotten that the 50 over format is a thing).
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
To be fair any preparation is better than no preparation. Last time we visited overseas don't think we had any preparation games. Of course an overlap with IPL is never quite useful particularly when we have to play in English conditions but in the past you wouldn't even have a chance for a hit in the middle. On top of that quicker turnaround meaning limited training as well. These guys have been there for two weeks now and even if IPL guys take a game or two to come to party rest of the players should be quite happy with the preparation.
jcas0167
International Regular
It doesn't look like Southee or Boult featured in the warm up games in 2015 while McCullum was a late arrival. Atherton wrote a famously brutal article when Vettori & McCullum arrived late due to IPL commitments in 2008 although McCullum hit 97 at Lord's in the first test.
I was surprised reading those 2015 tour scorecards to see that Duffy was on that tour along with Santner. Time flies.
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Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
2007 a better bet for that cutoff I think. The team from 2005-2007 kinda muddled through, but then starting in 2007 they lost Astle, McMillan, Bond, Fleming, Mk 1 Franklin and Styris (in tests) within 18 months.
Flem274*
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i think this lot have muddling in them.
i want to be wrong and i should be wrong, because we still have some of our top end players in history there with up and coming talents we're not used to having at all, but we've seen this from nz before.
"we prioritised t20s, dabbled with young players, injured KW with endless t20s and didn't get the most from obviously good players, there's nothing we could have done to prevent this crash down the rankings through losing to bangladesh at home and other such results"
i'll probably be done if it happens tbh, but then i'm just a grinchy millennial salty that our board is determined to force us to love t20 and is confiscating odis and tests from the fans.
the good news is collapses and handing out 100s to fc players is what warm ups are for so you're hypothetically less of a charity to the anderson and broad wicket tally (or the resurrection of englands batting) in the real games.
thierry henry
International Coach
Yeah what happened in 2004? From like 2001 - 2007 we were neither consistently bad nor consistently good. I tend to think of 2001 -2003 and 2005 - 2007 as both being decent eras because Bond was available. Are we calling 2004 bad because Bond missed the tour to England and we sucked in that series after having high hopes? That's true, but I wouldn't say it was really the beginning or end of any eras.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Lost Richardson and Cairns. Bond also suffered his horrific back injury in late 03 and would be out for 2 full years, so the side was definitely weaker than it had been in the run-up to the 03 world cup. But the core of the batting unit was still there so they were still pretty competitive, and on the rare occasions that Bond was fit they managed to win a couple of series. Bit like the post Hadlee, pre Crowe knee injury era.
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thierry henry
International Coach
Yeah I remember 2004 and 2004/05 as being pretty lame because we got flogged in England and Australia, but then 2005/6 and 2006/7 were ok because we had Bond back, beat up Windies and Sri Lanka at home, made another WC semi-final and basically did our usual stuff. If there was a drop off I associate it more with 07/08ish (Astle, Cairns, McMillan all retired, Fleming's last season, Styris and Oram pretty much gone from tests, Bond gone again, Tuffey gone/had flattered to deceive).
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
That 06 series v SA was also probably the most competitive I’ve ever seen NZ be in the Republic. Despite the 2-0 scoreline, NZ were in strong positions in all 3 games (all the more impressive given Bond’s absence) which you can’t exactly say for their other tours there over the past 30 years.
thierry henry
International Coach
Yeah and that was an interesting era for our bowling stocks imo. I feel like the likes of Mills, Franklin, Martin, Tuffey etc have become a bit of a byword for mediocrity in the ensuing years but in fairness they were more like handy or promising performers who never quite kicked on. Tuffey and Franklin in particular had phases of looking like they would be legit good red ball bowlers and both faded away as serious bowlers well before they were even 30. Not sure if that says more about my youthful optimism about their abilities, mismanagement, or individual weakness.