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***Official*** 1st Test at The Gabba

PhoenixFire

International Coach
I watched all of the day, and I think that England should be very pleased with their performance. Langer could have got caught out multiple time early on, flashing at balls and edging, if only one of the slips had been a few metres to the left then we could have has Langer early, and that would have had a sizeable chunk out of the total. Ponting gave a few chances, and was lucky not to be caught a few times, and be given out LBW (although the umpire was right in the end), and a few others. No disrespect to Ricky, he played brilliantly and fully deserved his hundred, but he gave chances. As did Hussey, he left the ball perilously close to the stumps a fair few times, and could have been out.

To the person who said Harmison got worse, then it is a load of ****. He actually bowled half decent in some of the spells, and bowled some crackers to Damien Martyn, which could have very easily got him out. Hoggard did nothing wrong, and was unlucky that he didn't produce edges in the morning. Giles too bowled well, and choosing him was the right choice, now I see it, over Panesar. Fred was easily our best bowler, and cranked up the pace well, and sent it flying past the edges and people's noses.

All in all, I guess that Aus deserved the advantage that they have, but England mustn't be discouraged about the score, it doesn't tell the whole picture.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
PhoenixFire said:
I watched all of the day, and I think that England should be very pleased with their performance. Langer could have got caught out multiple time early on, flashing at balls and edging, if only one of the slips had been a few metres to the left then we could have has Langer early, and that would have had a sizeable chunk out of the total. Ponting gave a few chances, and was lucky not to be caught a few times, and be given out LBW (although the umpire was right in the end), and a few others. No disrespect to Ricky, he played brilliantly and fully deserved his hundred, but he gave chances. As did Hussey, he left the ball perilously close to the stumps a fair few times, and could have been out.
What the hell? Do you expect Australia to be perfect?
 

PhoenixFire

International Coach
Nnanden said:
What the hell? Do you expect Australia to be perfect?

No, but some people were making it out like England were completely outclassed in every department, and deserved the score. I beg to differ.
 

Woodster

International Captain
tooextracool said:
For the Aussies, i thought Hayden and Langer were complete crap. Langer getting 80 odd was an absolute joke
?? Not sure I agree with that and I'm English!
Yes Langer rode his luck a little, but fortune favours the brave and he took it to the England attack, not allowing the bowlers any chance at all to settle into a rhythm. Anything full he drove, short he pulled or cut.It is an excellent batting surface and that gave him the confidence to play his shots, even if the ball wasn't quite there for it, he just played through the line. He was positive and I hope when we bat we show the same aggressive intent.

One point about the England bowlers is, I thought we bowled far too many short balls, and I don't mean bouncers. We just seemed to feed them with half trackers that would not get up past the ribs. If we're going to bowl short, get it up round the throat, aim for the Aussie badge on the helmet even. Make it uncomfortable for the batters, its no secret Ponting is probably the best puller in the business, we need it up round his head to test him out more.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
FaaipDeOiad said:
Good post. IMO, Harmison should be very, very close to being left out of the next test, as things stand right now.
I actually suggested leaving him out for Monty for this game (as well as Trescothick - pre return home) - wish they had now.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Langeveldt said:
It could have been worse for England, they could have picked Mahmood and Giles...
As I did say before the game - I don't think it was purely a case of Giles vs Panesar.
 

PhoenixFire

International Coach
In Adelaide and Sydney maybe, but going into a game with Hoggard, Flintoff and Anderson as your pace attack just wouldn't work imo.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
PhoenixFire said:
To the person who said Harmison got worse, then it is a load of ****. He actually bowled half decent in some of the spells, and bowled some crackers to Damien Martyn, which could have very easily got him out.
Oh come off it. I watched and counted every single ball that he bowled to Martyn, and he beat the bat one time and one time only. Yes it was a fabulous ball, but if you watched the rest, they were all just let go by both Ponting and Martyn. In fact Harmison created more chances in his first couple of overs to Langer than he did for the rest of the game.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
PhoenixFire said:
No, but some people were making it out like England were completely outclassed in every department, and deserved the score. I beg to differ.
because England bowled so well? Im fairly certain that even i would have bowled better than Harmison bowled all day. Harmisons bowling yesterday was amongst the worst ive seen from any international cricketer in over 14 years.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
tooextracool said:
because England bowled so well? Im fairly certain that even i would have bowled better than Harmison bowled all day. Harmisons bowling yesterday was amongst the worst ive seen from any international cricketer in over 14 years.
And you live in Banglore? Thats hard to believe.
 

PhoenixFire

International Coach
tooextracool said:
because England bowled so well? Im fairly certain that even i would have bowled better than Harmison bowled all day. Harmisons bowling yesterday was amongst the worst ive seen from any international cricketer in over 14 years.
Too far. He didn't bowl well, he bowled very poorly, but to say that it was the worst you have ever seen, suggests that you've been in an attic for 14 years, and this is the 1st match you've seen in 14 years.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Woodster said:
Yes Langer rode his luck a little, but fortune favours the brave and he took it to the England attack, not allowing the bowlers any chance at all to settle into a rhythm. Anything full he drove, short he pulled or cut.It is an excellent batting surface and that gave him the confidence to play his shots, even if the ball wasn't quite there for it, he just played through the line. He was positive and I hope when we bat we show the same aggressive intent..
I think the fact that on an excellent batting surface against some very poor bowling he was still only getting runs from mistimes shots, through airborne drives that went in between the fielders and between slip and gully just goes to show how poor he batted. A better captain, Vaughan or Hussain,yesterday would have had him out without getting into double figures.

Woodster said:
One point about the England bowlers is, I thought we bowled far too many short balls, and I don't mean bouncers. We just seemed to feed them with half trackers that would not get up past the ribs. If we're going to bowl short, get it up round the throat, aim for the Aussie badge on the helmet even. Make it uncomfortable for the batters, its no secret Ponting is probably the best puller in the business, we need it up round his head to test him out more.
it was just awful. there were too many balls that were on the pads, too many short balls that were only just above the waist, and too many half volleys. I mean Hoggard, if the ball isnt swinging you dont pitch the ball up, you're only going to get hammered.
 

PhoenixFire

International Coach
I'd rather they bowled half volleys than long hops. Any half decent batsman can put away a long hop pretty much anywhere they feel like. With a half volley, there is a much higher chance of edging or nicking it.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
PhoenixFire said:
Too far. He didn't bowl well, he bowled very poorly, but to say that it was the worst you have ever seen, suggests that you've been in an attic for 14 years, and this is the 1st match you've seen in 14 years.
So please, show me another bowler who bowled 2 balls down leg side in every over and then 2 balls far wide off the off stump in the same over for an entire day in the last 15 years. I was having an absolute laugh in the over to Martyn where he bat the bat once, and bowled 5 balls that werent even close to the stumps, and yet after that over all the England players went up to him and gave him a pat on the back.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
PhoenixFire said:
I'd rather they bowled half volleys than long hops. Any half decent batsman can put away a long hop pretty much anywhere they feel like. With a half volley, there is a much higher chance of edging or nicking it.
I think that comment is pretty much like saying, "i'd take Mahmood over Harmison". I mean whether or not half volleys are better than long hops is irrelevant. The point is that either way its poor bowling, just like being better than crap is not much of an accomplishment.
 

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