ODI All Rounder Poll - Discussions

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We are down to the last 5 spots in our Top 30 ODI All Rounders. I've counted about double that number of players who have received recent votes and, while interest is high as is evident by the number of voters, I am reluctant to extend our poll beyond 30.
Earlier @Qlder posted that he would find it difficult to find genuine all rounders much beyond 20. Going beyond 30 would be far harder,

A name that cropped up in the last round was Ryan ten Doeschate. He has had limited opportunities at an ODI level but, in 15 fewer games than Neil Johnson he has a vastly superior batting average (1541 @ 67.00 vs 1679 @ 36.50) and taken more wickets (55 @ 24.13 vs 35 @ 34.86). While the majority of his games have been against 'minnows', it could be argued that he warrants a place in our list. I'll leave that up to our voters.

 

[Qlder]

Ryan ten Doescharte getting votes? He's only played 7 matches against non-minnows where he's made 245 runs @ 35.00 and taken 10 wkts @ 41.90, econ 7.10

 

[capt_Luffy]

Ryan ten Doescharte getting votes? He's only played 7 matches against non-minnows where he's made 245 runs @ 35.00 and taken 10 wkts @ 41.90, econ 7.10

Afghanistan and Bangladesh and Ireland aren't minnows as well and he has 377@125.66 against them. Was a pretty good player and played for quite a few years, really unlucky to play for Netherlands. Think should atleast make the top 30

 

[CricAddict]

I can understand Ten Doeschate getting into a top Odi batsmen list but he is not a great allrounder. More part time.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I can understand Ten Doeschate getting into a top Odi batsmen list but he is not a great allrounder. More part time.

55 wickets in 33 matches @24, against Test teams it's 20 wickets in 12 matches @32.5. He actually has much better a bowling record than I expected.

 

[CricAddict]

55 wickets in 33 matches @24, against Test teams it's 20 wickets in 12 matches @32.5. He actually has much better a bowling record than I expected.

Wow this is surprising to me. I didn't check the record and just went by what I saw.

 

[Qlder]

James Faulkner probably has the best allrounder record of anyone left.

69 games, 1032 runs @ 34.40, 1 100, 4 50's, 96 wkts @ 30.85, 4 - 4W, 1.39 wpm

 

[Sunil1z]

James Faulkner probably has the best allrounder record of anyone left.

69 games, 1032 runs @ 34.40, 1 100, 4 50's, 96 wkts @ 30.85, 4 - 4W, 1.39 wpm

Plus man of the match in WC Final

 

[Fuller Pilch]

James Faulkner probably has the best allrounder record of anyone left.

69 games, 1032 runs @ 34.40, 1 100, 4 50's, 96 wkts @ 30.85, 4 - 4W, 1.39 wpm

Statswise probably 3rd best


1. RTD


2. Michael Bracewell

31 games, 672 runs @ 39.52 (s/r 115.66) 2 100s, 1 50; 34 wickets @ 32.67, 2 - 4w, e/r of 4.83

3. Faulkner

 

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Doing these ODI polls, I may have appeared a bit of an Anglophile - touting Morgan, then Willis and Collingwood. There were already plenty of Oz players and I was simply looking for balance.
The last round of voting saw Botham and Stokes added to our list, I voted for neither. Botham's batting was sub par and Stokes' bowling average in the 40s.

 

[Sunil1z]

Doing these ODI polls, I may have appeared a bit of an Anglophile - touting Morgan, then Willis and Collingwood. There were already plenty of Oz players and I was simply looking for balance.
The last round of voting saw Botham and Stokes added to our list, I voted for neither. Botham's batting was sub par and Stokes' bowling average in the 40s.

No problem. We all are biased to some extent .

 

[Fuller Pilch]

and Stokes' bowling average in the 40s.

And economy rate over 6

 

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There was a certain degree of controversy along the way but, in the end, we finished with a reasonable list of 30. There may be some players who might be regarded as unlucky but, as we moved deeper into the poll, there were obvious flaws or holes in some of the players nominated.
My thanks again to all who participated. It's also probably appropriate to post our final list for ease of reference.

	ODI All Rounder Poll	Games	Runs	Average	Wickets	Average
1	A.Flintoff	141	3394	32.02	169	24.38
2	S.Pollock	303	3519	26.46	393	24.51
3	Kapil Dev	225	3783	23.79	253	27.45
4	L.Klusener	171	3576	41.10	192	29.95
5	Imran Khan	175	3709	33.41	182	26.62
6	Shakib al Hasan	247	7570	37.29	317	29.53
7	S.Watson	190	5757	40.54	168	31.80
8	S.Jayasuriya	445	13430	32.36	323	36.75
9	V.Richards	187	6721	47.00	118	35.83
10	J.Kallis	328	11579	44.36	273	31.79
11	G.Chappell	74	2331	40.19	72	29.13
11	A.Symonds	198	5088	39.75	133	37.26
13	C.Cairns	215	4950	29.46	201	32.81
14	R.Hadlee	115	1751	21.62	158	21.56
15	Shahid Afridi	398	8064	23.58	395	34.51
16	C.Hooper	227	5761	35.34	193	36.05
17	Abdul Razzaq	265	5080	29.71	269	31.84
18	H.Cronje	188	5565	38.65	114	34.79
19	H.Streak	189	2943	28.30	239	29.83
20	H.Pandya	94	1904	32.83	91	35.51
21	N.Johnson	48	1679	36.50	35	34.86
22	S.Waugh	325	7569	32.91	195	34.67
22	S.O'Donnell	87	1242	25.35	108	28.72
24	P.Collingwood	197	5092	35.36	111	38.68
24	C.Harris	250	2379	29.00	203	37.50
26	I.Botham	116	2113	23.22	145	28.54
27	R.Jadeja	204	2806	32.63	231	35.41
28	B.Stokes	114	3463	41.23	74	42.39
29	Mohammad Hafeez	218	6614	32.91	139	38.85
30	J.Faulkner	69	1032	34.40	96	30.85

 

[Sunil1z]

I think with this you have completed most of the famous polls possible. Only fielders/wicketkeepers remain iirc .

 

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I previously attempted a wicketkeepers poll for Tests but the voting stalled after 15 names.
Fielding voting would rely heavily on peer judgement and reputation,

 

[honestbharani]

Fielding voting would rely heavily on peer judgement and reputation,

Which would make it more fun, I feel.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I previously attempted a wicketkeepers poll for Tests but the voting stalled after 15 names.
Fielding voting would rely heavily on peer judgement and reputation,

15 names for ODI Wicketkeepers would be perfectly fine imo. Also think it's way easier to do for ODIs than Tests, as keeping skills are much less important here than batting.

 

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15 names for ODI Wicketkeepers would be perfectly fine imo. Also think it's way easier to do for ODIs than Tests, as keeping skills are much less important here than batting.

OK. I'll give it a shot after a short break.