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NZ v West Indies

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U19 Vice-Captain
Congrats to the kiwis. This will boost their confidence.
Looks like they did quite well out there in a tough match.
I hope Saurav and his men are watching and learning. When low in confidence, you've got to put up a street fight.


Even so , I still keep my hopes raised that they get thrashed by SA :D
If they play exactly like this, they'll probably fall short of 200 against SA.
 

Kiwi

State Vice-Captain
Well done by the Kiwis. Most of the NZ batters got starts but didn't push on which is a worry.

I thought the Vettori/Fleming opening stand was good. While Vettori didn't get many runs, they ran well between the wickets and Astle didn't need to come in until 42 runs were on the board.

Good to see McCullam getting some runs and I thought he was tidy behind the stumps.
 

warrioryohannan

U19 Cricketer
I don't know as to why WI is not playing Lawson, he's a fabulous bowler, i would love to have such a bowler in Indian line up. And they made a mistake of playing McLean in place of Lawson in the match against New Zealand, McLean was as usual expensive and unimpressive, but i won't go much into it, as there are crazy fans of him on this site .
 

anzac

International Debutant
a very good win to the Black Caps in a must win game for them.

Given the known conditions of the pitch (that it slows down as the game progresses), I was surprised that Hooper elected to field first, especially when NZ is so good at slowing the pace of the game down & restricting the opposition by strangling them for runs!!! After the WIndies batting V SA I would have thought they should have gone in to bat and said "catch us if you can", as the Kiwi's failed miserably V SL trying to do so. :duh:

I thought that the NZ total was a good 30 odd runs short of what it should have been, even allowing for the Astle dismissal, as most of them got a start - 5 scores of 20+. The loss of 5 WI wickets for 13 runs was the winning / loosing of the match. Even tho' the Kiwis had 2 mini collapses of their own they were able to regroup each time and hit out at the end of their innings. Sarwan & Jacobs added some respectability to the WI total, but I never got the feeling they would be there at the death, & the WI tail was never going to threaten the total once the asking rate got up over 7 per over.

I hope that the Vettori opening experiment is a one off, otherwise this is a clear signal to everyone that the Kiwi batting lineup is in very big trouble & the selectors have got their squad wrong (as I have been saying for some time)!!!! :(

I was dumbfounded when I saw that McMillan had been dropped & that Sinclair had not been brought in - only 4 specialist batsmen V WIndies!!!!!!! :O I am also surprised to see Harris as a starter in both matches thus far and IMO he has done nothing to justify his further selection ahead of a specialist batsman in Sinclair, who was the only Kiwi batsman in some form in the Indian series!!!!

Their efforts in the field showed why IMO NZ rates as good a fielding side as either OZ or SA. Their weakness is inconsistency as per V SL, and this was negated by playing Vincent in the field as opposed to 'keeping - he provides the spark in close which was missing V SL. Oram & Adams also showed why they are highly regarded with some outstanding pieces of skill in the field, and both did was what asked of them with the ball to great effect.

I felt sorry for Cairns with his 1st over back after so long off - he still looks very very rusty. Bond generated good pace to establish himself as the No3 WC speedster thus far.

Some concerns with Astle re a groin injury may mean that Sinclair may have to start V SA. With Rhodes out for SA re his broken hand I would now rate NZ a better fielding side than SA.

If NZ is to have any success V SA, their batting must come together - again the worry is the top order. Most importantly the Kiwis must make partnerships & stop SA from doing the same! This team only needs the top order to find some form & consistency & they will be a very potent threat - unfortunately they have not shown this for quite some time / series!!!

Finally a change of luck would not go astray. So far both questionable decisions have gone against the Kiwis (Jayasuriya & Astle), with the 1st having a major impact on the result of the game V SL, and the 2nd stopping the Kiwi batting order just when they were getting going. I would hate to have the same thing happen in what is now the most crucial game in the WC thus far.

:)
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
I reckon NZ will keep this lineup for the South Africa match.
I think Astle will be fit for Sunday.

I don't mind Vettori opening, I think he's got more skill with the bat than people realise & if he can plunder 20 or 30 off South Africa it will frustrate them.
 

anzac

International Debutant
oh I know he is not a bunny with the bat & is a regular top order selection in ODI with ND.

I just think it is a ****e tactic / selection / situation when dropping a batsman (McMillan) and not replacing him with another specialist & to go into a match with only 4 specialist batsmen, particularly when your top order is make shift & out of form!!!

Mentally it is a very very big ask of Vettori to be able to achieve something that neither the selectors nor the batsmen have been able to do thus far.....

:!(
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Tim said:
I reckon NZ will keep this lineup for the South Africa match.
I think Astle will be fit for Sunday.

I don't mind Vettori opening, I think he's got more skill with the bat than people realise & if he can plunder 20 or 30 off South Africa it will frustrate them.
Vettori didn't exactly get NZ off toa quick start today and he's not going to bat through the innings so what's the point of opening with him?
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
Well thats a question you will have to ask the NZ team because im pretty sure he'll open again against South Africa.
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
warrioryohannan said:
OH yeah, he's lucky to have atleast one big fan over here:lol:
He actually bowled pretty well in the last Test over here in 2000 and scored a 50 in a ODI. His crowning glory...
 

Kiwi

State Vice-Captain
I don't really think that Vettoris job was to get quick runs. I think it was more to get the shine off the new ball. Astle has been out caught behind alot because of the shine on the ball.. it was to protect him.

I have no problems with him opening. Just remember it is no loss if he does go out quickly.
 

Gotchya

State Vice-Captain
Good win for the Kiwi's. It was a very very evident fight back by them, throwing themselves around and bowling some excellent spells. Bond and Adams bowled well, not to mention Vettori who took that important wicket of Sarwan. But their batting is still a worry. Against SA it will be hard to score a win while not crossing a score of say 200/210.
 

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, the NZ batting will be a big stumbling block for them. All the talk of depth till no: 11 is not of much use if they can manage only 240 odd against an attack with only 3 specialist bowlers. They have to do much better against SA with the bowling and fielding maintaining their current standard to have a chance.
 

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