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NZ Test Opener
- Thread starter Natman20
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cric_manic
First Class Debutant
he was the opener before he got injured,why should that change
cric_manic
First Class Debutant
wasnt he injured in england
no one is really standing out for the position in domestic cricket
apart from How,and he is not ready for test cricket yet and untill then Fleming and papps should open
no one is really standing out for the position in domestic cricket
apart from How,and he is not ready for test cricket yet and untill then Fleming and papps should open
if Papps was showing some form in the Championship I'd pick him, as he hadn't really had a decent run b4 injury in ENG - he's only had 1 full series.........however he is not scoring runs and does not warrant a place in the side just because he was there b4..........it's not as if he was setting the world alight when he was there - he wasn't doing an Andrew Strauss...........
for my money it will either be Flem & Sinclair as the 2 most recent openers used & available, or it will be one of them and a 'newbie' - currently I'd say either How or Cumming, with Cumming getting the nod because of his OD series at this level & maturity / experience...........
for my money it will either be Flem & Sinclair as the 2 most recent openers used & available, or it will be one of them and a 'newbie' - currently I'd say either How or Cumming, with Cumming getting the nod because of his OD series at this level & maturity / experience...........
'coz if something's not working as it should you try to fix it as best as your resources allow.............bryce said:
part of that may involve a stop gap measure / player as a bridge while you bring on a youngster..........
alternatively you could just put all your eggs in 1 basket with a players and say that we will stick with him for the season and see where we go from there, and accept that you may take several steps backwards when you do so.........
otherwise you just stick with the same squad of players who are not getting the job done in the first place.............
IMO all this talk of competition for places is basically rubbish until some of the so called 'contenders' are given opportunities or squad selections at least.....
I also think that the ZIM - RSA Tour should be used to take some new blood in the Squad...............
primarily because there are so few mid-week games on Tours these days that there is virtually no chance of blooding a player in that manner...........you can only really do so against the weaker opposition or in series that hold little bearing on your ranking.............
as I've said b4 IMO they missed a trick v BAN, and ZIM are the other side down at that end of the scale - unless you want to do it v SRL in your own back yard considering their Away form...........
primarily because there are so few mid-week games on Tours these days that there is virtually no chance of blooding a player in that manner...........you can only really do so against the weaker opposition or in series that hold little bearing on your ranking.............
as I've said b4 IMO they missed a trick v BAN, and ZIM are the other side down at that end of the scale - unless you want to do it v SRL in your own back yard considering their Away form...........
Will Scarlet
U19 Debutant
Sinclair has been tried and failed against AUS as an opener - but deserves to be in the middle order.
How and Cumming are the form openers in FC cricket. How is the more consistent in OD matches, while not brilliant. Cumming's domestic OD record is rubbish from memory. So How seems the best all-round long-term option.
Unfortunately Bracewell seems too cowardly to make the necesary changes. It's as though he thinks he's beyonf blame for the team's failure in tests if he doesn't appear to be directly linked to player selections; choosing established failures rather than trailing young blood being his preference.
How and Cumming are the form openers in FC cricket. How is the more consistent in OD matches, while not brilliant. Cumming's domestic OD record is rubbish from memory. So How seems the best all-round long-term option.
Unfortunately Bracewell seems too cowardly to make the necesary changes. It's as though he thinks he's beyonf blame for the team's failure in tests if he doesn't appear to be directly linked to player selections; choosing established failures rather than trailing young blood being his preference.
agreed - but I disagree that that should mean you persist with players who are not able to perform consistantly or are out of form.............Papps, McMillan, Styris, Astle etc.........bryce said:
if the team was playing well & we were getting the results a la AUS or ENG then stick with the players who are getting the job done, but neither is happening atm..........
ENG have rebuilt the side (both players & positions) & are now getting the results - it would be interesting to see how many players they have tried b4 settling on this current lineup..........
RSA have now started on the same path judging by their selections in the ENG series;
IND have introduced new blood into their seam attack, openers & 'keeper;
AUS have primarily brought in Clarke, Katich & re-introduced Kasper;
PAK & WIN have also brought in new talent over the past few seasons;
SRL have also shown some new faces;
NZL have also made changes but primarily seems to be motivated by injury & retirement, and the actual pool of players at Test level still seems rather thin........esp in regards to batting; pace, spin & slow bowling..............IMO too much of the same in both batting & bowling..............
Only AUS seems to have made an almost seamless transition with new faces, Captain & tactics - the rest of us mere mortals need several seasons to get it 'right'..........
Will Scarlet
U19 Debutant
Or NZ could try a new opener against AUS and it could make the player a star. At least How, Papps, or Cumming would be able to gauge their progress against the best, rather than just wonder about it.
Even if they failed against AUS they could learn a lot from the series and still come out with the experience to succeed against SL. I comes down to the mentality of the player(s).
Even if they failed against AUS they could learn a lot from the series and still come out with the experience to succeed against SL. I comes down to the mentality of the player(s).
sirjeremy11
State Vice-Captain
To be honest I am worried as about our openers. 
Yes sure, Sinclair middle order, but instead of whom? Fleming, Astle, Styris, Marshall, McMillan, Oram? Personally also I think McCullum should bat higher.
If Sinclair wants in the team, he HAS to open.
Sad but true.
Who goes with him?
I would have to say maybe How at the moment, with Papps not far behind. But both have been so inconsistent this year.
Why did Rigor have to get tired of cricket in England?
Yes sure, Sinclair middle order, but instead of whom? Fleming, Astle, Styris, Marshall, McMillan, Oram? Personally also I think McCullum should bat higher.
If Sinclair wants in the team, he HAS to open.
Sad but true.
Who goes with him?
I would have to say maybe How at the moment, with Papps not far behind. But both have been so inconsistent this year.
Why did Rigor have to get tired of cricket in England?
Maybe it's because we don't persist with them long enough? Openers are more often than not subjected to unplayable deliveries thanks to the new shine. So they will fail more than they succeed normally. Key thing is whether they chuck their wickets away, or tried really hard to stay in but gets out to balls that has their name on it.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Pakistan and West Indies have had few high-class openers historically - you could probably count them on one hand.Three years later....
Found this in the India thread, IIRC Pakistan don't have much in the way of openers either, nor England bar Cook if Vaughan doesn't cut it opening and Strauss gpes back to poos, wonder why openers are so hard to find for some sides?
Rae
Stollmeyer
Hunte
Fredericks
Greenidge
Haynes
Hanif Mohammed
Majid Khan
Shoaib Mohammed
Can't immediately think of many from NZ outside Turner and Wright either.