nz man4man better than australia

[Richard]

Never happened?
Don't know what planet you've been on.
No amount of improvisation - that is done so the bowler has no chance of spotting you - can make a good ball into a hittable one.

 

[marc71178]

So please tell us when a bowler in the death was able to put 6 balls on a spot and concede few if any runs.

When a batsman improvises and uses his feet, there is no such thing as an unhittable ball.

 

[Richard]

Really?
So the step or two you can take when a bowler can't see you going can turn a Yorker into a Full-Toss high enough to get easily under?

 

[marc71178]

A step or 2 can make a huge difference to the length of a ball and change it from a yorker into a full toss, yes.

Just look at basic physics.

 

[Richard]

A low Full-Toss is almost as impossible to get away as a Yorker - so is a very full Half-Volley.

 

[tooextracool]

So how come some bowlers have maintained economy-rates?

anomalies.

 

[Ming]

A low Full-Toss is almost as impossible to get away as a Yorker - so is a very full Half-Volley.

Depends what you define as low. But a full toss aimed at your knee is very easy to hit.

 

[marc71178]

A low Full-Toss is almost as impossible to get away as a Yorker - so is a very full Half-Volley.

2 paces down the wicket and it would only be a low full toss if it had been delivered underarm.

 

[Richard]

anomalies.

So let's see some bowlers who weren't reaching the end of their careers whose economy-rates have risen as Donald, Akram etc did.

 

[Richard]

Depends what you define as low. But a full toss aimed at your knee is very easy to hit.

At the knee is most certainly not low.
The ankle or below, I'd say.

 

[Richard]

2 paces down the wicket and it would only be a low full toss if it had been delivered underarm.

Eh?
How does underarm\overarm come to the party?

 

[marc71178]

Eh?
How does underarm\overarm come to the party?

2 paces down the wicket to a bowler delivering the ball from 8 feet or so makes it into a comfortable full toss.

If it's underarm then the ball remains close to the ground to the steps don't make a difference.

 

[Richard]

The steps make no significant difference anyway, it doesn't make a difficult ball into an easy one.

 

[marc71178]

How the hell do they not make a difference?

A yorker is not going to suddenly dip so that it yorks the batsman when he comes 2 paces down the wicket. Instead it is going to become an easily hittable full toss.

 

[Richard]

No, it's going to become a realistically-impossible-to-hit Full-Toss.

 

[marc71178]

You what?

Ball delievered from 9 feet in the air has to travel 20 yards.

2 steps make this into about 17 or 18 yards, thus the ball is around a foot off the ground - which is not low.

 

[Richard]

I suggest you watch the HawkEye of the trajectory of a few deliveries sometime.

 

[tooextracool]

So let's see some bowlers who weren't reaching the end of their careers whose economy-rates have risen as Donald, Akram etc did.

shane warne, darren gough, andrew caddick, robert croft, damien fleming, chris cairns, javagal srinath, anil kumble, shoaib akhtar, saqlain mushtaq, mervyn dillon, heath streak(somewhat).......

need more?

 

[Richard]

Give us the stats.

 

[tooextracool]

gough : pre 2000- 4.25, post - 4.36
caddick : pre 2001 - 3.66 post - 4.42
croft pre : 2000 - 4.18, post 2000 - 4.75
fleming : pre 2000 - 4.31, post 2000 - 4.75
cairns : pre 2000 - 4.63, post 2000 - 4.92
srinath : pre 2000- 4.36, post 2000 - 4.73
kumble : pre 2000 - 4.16, post 2000 - 4.60
akhtar : pre 2000 - 4.41, post 2000 - 4.63
saqlain : pre 2000 - 4.22, post 2000 - 4.43
dillon : pre 2000 - 4.35, post 2000 - 4.74
streak : pre 2000 - 4.45, post 2000 - 4.52