New Zealand Off Season 2014

[Bahnz]

Ah yes, forgot about Elliot somehow - funny since it wasn't that long ago that he was in the side.

 

[brockley]

Yes Canning cut short a promising career.,headed back 2 WA.
Yes the English county system is predatory just be glad you have only lost a few so far.
If Australia and NZ sign a deal with Europe,there will be a flood of Aussie and Kiwi players in county cricket,just like there is South Africans.

 

[African Monkey]

You're thinking of his brother Carl there.

Craig Cachopa used to play up in Darwin in our off season a few seasons back.

 

[CharlesLara]

I can confirm Craig played in Darwin, as did Brad Schmulian (regular Auckland A), they friends. In terms of the Cachopas, Carl was the initial boomer then Brad, but Craig was always the one playing a few grades above and really seemed like the most gifted. I played in the same Auckland secondary schools team as Brad and used to do a lot of Auckland winter academy stuff with him as well since he kept and us spinners needed him. He was always the hard working type, whereas Craig seemed the far more naturally gifted player.

I will still say that Auckland's biggest loss recently, for whatever reason is Andrew De Boorder. Best batting talent I have seen outside of Kane, and also a great leader, had the privilege of him captaining our secondary schools side and he was the nicest guy who always had the respect of the team, including the likes Raval and certain Tim Southee. I think Andy and Paul Strang just never got along and Andy being the smart guy and hard worker he is, found it easy to commit to be good at things outside cricket. Huge loss though.

 

[Hurricane]

Maybe we can get hickey back from the blues? He improved during the season but end up behind West for the next few seasons.
The aces to give him a call.

 

[Blocky]

Ryder could well be a better fourth seamer for NZ than Anderson or Neesham.

 

[Zinzan]

^ Agree and I'd go further by saying 'would' as opposed to 'could'.

 

[Flem274*]

Dreaming. English conditions turned post injury Franklin from a 40 average Shield dobber to a strike weapon. They've done the same with Jesse.

 

[hendrix]

Well right now he is a better bowler then them if he were playing as 5th bowler. Better accuracy.

Neesham has a higher ceiling in terms of his bowling though.

 

[Flem274*]

absence makes the heart grow fonder, and so does running through **** batsmen with a hooping duke.

 

[Zinzan]

Dreaming. English conditions turned post injury Franklin from a 40 average Shield dobber to a strike weapon. They've done the same with Jesse.

Nah, two points there. 1) I'm not judging Jesse purely on his recent English county exploits with the ball, but more so on what I have seen of his bowling in the past and his uncanny ability to nibble the ball around in almost any conditions, albeit at 125-130kms. & 2) It's not like Jimmy Neesh or Corey Anderson have set the world on fire with their bowling at test level & Anderson average of 30 flatters to deceive, he took some soft soft wickets against the Windies.

 

[Zinzan]

Well right now he is a better bowler then them if he were playing as 5th bowler. Better accuracy.

Neesham has a higher ceiling in terms of his bowling though.

Neesham still has plenty going for him with the ball. Just at this stage of his career he's raw and is yet to learn his bowling craft.

 

[Flem274*]

Jesse was given opportunities with the ball in test cricket and wasn't much chop. Anderson and Neesham both have more to them bowling wise (both bowl a heavy ball, Neesh at a reasonable clip too, Anderson gets nice shape at times) and can bowl a proper spell. Not to mention Ryder injures himself half the time he bowls.

 

[Zinzan]

Always tough to assess part-time bowlers when the opportunities they do get is to break big partnerships when none of the regular bowlers can. IIRC Jesse falls into this category. In terms of long-term potential I agree Jimmy & Corey have more going for them, but if there was a test played tomorrow, I'd rate Jesse to be at least as effective.

 

[Blocky]

Franklin was a handy bowler in all formats including test right up until he told himself he didn't need to bowl anymore. After his initial run of success in the County Championship, he got a bit bigheaded and saw himself solely as a batsman and part time option. It was more the lack of overs he choose to bowl for Wellington that meant his average inflated in my view, because ultimately he's perfect for taking out first class cricketers - a left armer who swings the ball back in and is relatively accurate?

Ryder - different story, not asking him to tear teams apart but as he'd already shown in test cricket before, he's an effective partnership breaker and a good option as a fourth seamer. Not to mention that in form, he's still our best batsman in my view.

 

[SteveNZ]

Cachopa shifting to England not a surprise,the Cachopa's born S Africa,played under 19 for NZ,lived in Australia a while in Adelaide,played cricket in Darwin.
But i don't feel for NZ's loss how many Aussies and South Africans played in NZ domestic cricket,and how many have gone onto play for NZ.

Does this mean he's confirmed to be doing so? Do we have a source?

And yeah...Jesse is potentially a better seamer than both of them (Corey more so) but he's more potentially a pisshead and injury prone. So it's hardly worth pondering.

 

[Bahnz]

Yeah agree with this. Jesse was never anything special, but I reckon you could rely on him to do a Nathan Astle-esque job, chipping in with 10 overs a day and occasionally picking up a sneaky wicket. You don't need too much more from a 5th bowler. And you only have to remember the ball he bowled to castle Micheal Clarke on 96 to see that he was a fairly capable bowler.

 

[Blocky]

Does this mean he's confirmed to be doing so? Do we have a source?

And yeah...Jesse is potentially a better seamer than both of them (Corey more so) but he's more potentially a pisshead and injury prone. So it's hardly worth pondering.

You know first hand the only difference between Jesse and Southee is the fact that Jesse continues to get caught.

 

[Bahnz]

You know first hand the only difference between Jesse and Southee is the fact that Jesse continues to get caught.

Really? I'm not surprised, and there've been quite a few cricketers who've been fairly high-functioning alcoholics over the years, but it's still a little depressing if true.

 

[SteveNZ]

You know first hand the only difference between Jesse and Southee is the fact that Jesse continues to get caught.

I know that USED to be the case. Tim turned 23/24 and got it. Jesse hasn't come near to getting it.