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New Zealand Off Season 2014
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HeathDavisSpeed
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Yeah, I can understand that more as some of the talent you're referring to quit having not made it or perhaps perceiving that they won't make it. Mills, Austin-Smellie, Boam and Brodie all had pretty much cemented spots in the Wellington first XI - they weren't fringe players. Mills' scored his highest first class score in either his last or penultimate game. In a team that aren't exactly rich with young talent, losing Boam and Brodie in the last couple of seasons is a pretty major issue.
So can I, but not really in terms of the ilk of Brodie, who had the ability to play for his country in a problematic spot.
Blocky
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But in my view, someone like Boam, inflated averages due to not outs aside, realised he wasn't good enough to put pressure on for an NZ position where as most of his life, he'd been given opportunities early on at age group level. It was the first time he had to fight and he didn't have the fight in him.
Stu Mills wanted to travel from what I remember and didn't really have his heart in cricket, he just happened to be pretty damn talented at it and didn't need to put much effort in to get to the first class level, so that's a loss but ultimately I just consider that no different to say a Jeff Wilson style loss, where the guy had other options.
Austin Smellie, Brodie and Boam were all age group representatives who struggled to make enough noise to get past first class cricket, in the case of Boam that was probably soul crushing as he had been seen as "a chosen child" from high school onwards. He wasn't good enough to play for NZ so quit out. Austin Smellie got replaced ultimately by Ronchi and in the case of Brodie, late twenties, realising he probably wasn't going to make it so looked into building himself a career to get on with his life.
I personally think it's more worrying if you're losing guys on the fringes of first class cricket who had the potential to go big, rather than guys within first class cricket who were just average. Mark Turner from Parnell comes to mind as a guy that was a big loss for Auckland. He had a number of dominant seasons at premier cricket level, was scoring runs in the Auckland A side and never got a chance, had a drop of form, a drop of passion and quit all forms of cricket basically. That's a loss, because we don't know how good he potentially could've been.
In any case, Wellington have the same issue that ND struggled with. They're not turning over enough of their older players, meaning they don't know what their youth talent pool is like. ND lost a tonne of players either through quitting cricket or moving to another region due to players like Aldridge and Arnel who were amazing at first class level but had no potential above that.
Stu Mills wanted to travel from what I remember and didn't really have his heart in cricket, he just happened to be pretty damn talented at it and didn't need to put much effort in to get to the first class level, so that's a loss but ultimately I just consider that no different to say a Jeff Wilson style loss, where the guy had other options.
Austin Smellie, Brodie and Boam were all age group representatives who struggled to make enough noise to get past first class cricket, in the case of Boam that was probably soul crushing as he had been seen as "a chosen child" from high school onwards. He wasn't good enough to play for NZ so quit out. Austin Smellie got replaced ultimately by Ronchi and in the case of Brodie, late twenties, realising he probably wasn't going to make it so looked into building himself a career to get on with his life.
I personally think it's more worrying if you're losing guys on the fringes of first class cricket who had the potential to go big, rather than guys within first class cricket who were just average. Mark Turner from Parnell comes to mind as a guy that was a big loss for Auckland. He had a number of dominant seasons at premier cricket level, was scoring runs in the Auckland A side and never got a chance, had a drop of form, a drop of passion and quit all forms of cricket basically. That's a loss, because we don't know how good he potentially could've been.
In any case, Wellington have the same issue that ND struggled with. They're not turning over enough of their older players, meaning they don't know what their youth talent pool is like. ND lost a tonne of players either through quitting cricket or moving to another region due to players like Aldridge and Arnel who were amazing at first class level but had no potential above that.
Penultimate. Strip of highway by the looks of it though:
Canterbury v Wellington at Christchurch, Mar 5-8, 2007 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
Tastle and Papps opening the batting in a PEWS-friendly combination, while Andy Ellis bats at 4.
2007 Plunket Shield was weird.
hendrix
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I'm sure you're better placed to know about the inner workings than me, but I would point out that while guys who don't make the NZ cricket team don't have a direct effect on the game, there is the indirect effect of raising the overall standard of domestic cricket that makes it easier for the cream of the crop to transition to the top level.
The Tanerau Latimers of cricket can make quite a contribution.
If we can't make it worthwhile for those guys to be playing, we'll struggle to keep the standard of first class cricket...first class. The guys just below the top level are very important, IMO.
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Blocky
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Absolutely, but the Tanerau Latimers of Cricket have an earning potential of about $45k per annum versus the Tanerau Latimer of Rugby who has an earning potential of around $120k and the ability to take up a Japanese contract at the end of his NZ career for much more... therefore if you''re a Boam or a Brodie, you get to a point where you think "Well, I won't get IPL opportunities, I'm not likely to crack the NZ Line up and if I don't do something about this, I'll be the next Matt Sinclair, struggling to find work at the end of my long domestic career without much in the bank"
You need the Matt Sinclair in domestic cricket in my view, as much as you need say the younger player starting to rise up the ranks, but if you don't have a system which helps them establish a career which other first class nations have managed to do with their players, then you'll lose quite a few of them earlier than expected. Especially if they're private school educated people from rich families who got used to the trappings of life.
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BackFootPunch
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HeathDavisSpeed
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The heady days of Sam Fairlie and Dooowayne Bowden. Urgh.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Stu Mills played a couple of T20s for the USA in 2011, itstl.
Brandon Hiini. There's a blast from the ICC-Games-where-random-domestic-all-rounders-were-gun past.
Brandon Hiini. There's a blast from the ICC-Games-where-random-domestic-all-rounders-were-gun past.
Zinzan
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...And the ER to boot 
ohnoitsyou
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Styris is up there with the laziest shunts to play the game. I mean Ryder runs into bowl harder ffs
Bahnz
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I've always felt that Auckland in particular should have a 2nd cricket team. Seems ridiculous that a region with 1.4 million should have as many teams as Otago/Southland with their population of 300,000. Of course it'll never happen, the provinces are a big enough drain on the NZC's coffers as it is. Still, in an ideal world...
Bahnz
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Heh, sounds like Harry was just getting sick and tired of being made Jesse's minder every other weekend.
Bahnz
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I find Cachopa's decision to abandon ship a bit strange. Maybe he was just put out by being snubbed for the NZA tour - but then again that's a tour with a strong limited overs focus that's clearly working towards the 2015 World Cup, so being left out really shouldn't be discouraging for your longer term prospects. With McCullum set to retire in a couple of years time tops (and maybe as little as 6 months), and the number 6 spot still a long way from being truly settled, you'd have thought that there's some decent incentives for a talented young middle-order bat (especially one who averages 50+) to hang around for a while longer. One more season averaging 45+ would probably have been enough to push him into serious contention.
I guess in the end he just fancies the opportunity to actually make a bit of money, without having to crack the cut-throat standards of international cricket. Still, it seems a bit fatalistic to move to England without even giving the NZ route a serious go - especially when he's had such a strong start to his first class career. I wonder if anything else behind the scenes has prompted this move.
I guess in the end he just fancies the opportunity to actually make a bit of money, without having to crack the cut-throat standards of international cricket. Still, it seems a bit fatalistic to move to England without even giving the NZ route a serious go - especially when he's had such a strong start to his first class career. I wonder if anything else behind the scenes has prompted this move.
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Kippax
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Well, it's not going to be a four-year deal or anything. You may be right, but he could also just be playing everyone hot-and-cold for now.
Carl Cachopa cuts and runs to Auckland Aces | Stuff.co.nz
Carl Cachopa cuts and runs to Auckland Aces | Stuff.co.nz
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