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New Zealand Black Caps Thread
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According to stuff.co.nz & nzherald's articles Ross Taylor won't be risked for tonight's game (same with Gillespie). Taylor still isn't 100 right anyway, hopefully he will be ready for Ireland.
The most worring thing reading through the various media articles is Bracewell's continued support of Franklin!
"James was attacked. I think Chris Gayle decided to bully it and try and emulate Matthew Hayden's innings so I don't think James bowled badly"
"I'm sure James will get the conditions to suit him at some point, and he'll do well and someone else will get tonked."
The most worring thing reading through the various media articles is Bracewell's continued support of Franklin!
"James was attacked. I think Chris Gayle decided to bully it and try and emulate Matthew Hayden's innings so I don't think James bowled badly"
"I'm sure James will get the conditions to suit him at some point, and he'll do well and someone else will get tonked."
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
There is no need to risk anyone at this stage as we're winning without them and we're not in a do or die situation just yet.
Though i'd like to see Gillespie get some game time as soon as possible otherwise it would be a tough ask for him to suddenly play his first game in a semi final match.
Though i'd like to see Gillespie get some game time as soon as possible otherwise it would be a tough ask for him to suddenly play his first game in a semi final match.
corza_nz
School Boy/Girl Captain
i think james franklin is a good bowler with the new ball but when hes used as first change like he was against west indies he can go for a lot. this is why i look forward 2 gillespie returning who is a good first change bowler and then bond and franklin can open the bowling.
thierry henry
International Coach
I actually think Franklin has bowled crap all season, I just genuinely believe he is capable of better.
He hasn't swung one ball all season, and he ALWAYS bowls with a scrambled seam. In the past, he has bowled decent outswingers. He has technical problems atm imo.
He hasn't swung one ball all season, and he ALWAYS bowls with a scrambled seam. In the past, he has bowled decent outswingers. He has technical problems atm imo.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Then he walks away from the interview laughing manically.
"Yes... yes.... all of you believe I'll keep bowling Franklin...
MUAHAHAHAHA"
thierry henry
International Coach
Funnily enough, Franklin had perfect seam position this morning and was bowling in the mid 130s
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
It will be interesting to see if NZ rest Bond against Ireland or whether they rest him later on once the 8 points are in the bag. It seems most commentators reckon 8 points will get you into the semi's.
I think Fulton will be given 1 more chance as an opener and he'll need at least 50 against Ireland to show he has a future as an opener in this World Cup.
Team against Ireland:
Fulton
Fleming
Taylor
Styris
McMillan
Oram
McCullum
Vettori
Gillespie
Bond
Martin
It'll be a risk to play both Gillespie and Martin after limited game time but they need to play sometime incase they are required for later in the tournament. It will also be our quickest attack.
I think Fulton will be given 1 more chance as an opener and he'll need at least 50 against Ireland to show he has a future as an opener in this World Cup.
Team against Ireland:
Fulton
Fleming
Taylor
Styris
McMillan
Oram
McCullum
Vettori
Gillespie
Bond
Martin
It'll be a risk to play both Gillespie and Martin after limited game time but they need to play sometime incase they are required for later in the tournament. It will also be our quickest attack.
sportychic33
State 12th Man
If we win the toss against Ireland, New Zealand definitely needs to set the total. As they need to get used to the early morning conditions as the toss is not always going to fall our way, and we need Oram and McCullum to have a bat as they haven't had many chances in match situations in this world cup
KiWiNiNjA
International Coach
One thing I hate is when players are judged purely on statistics. Like, "averaging in the mid to low 30's is just average", or even "NZ is a side with no talent, except for maybe Bond, but they make up for that with there team-work" sorta bull**** just because thats the way the stats read.
But, I'm gonna play the stats game here to show current form
Taylor has only just started his career so you can't really say much about his stats.
But for all the others, they are all punching well above their respective career averages, and strike rates. And thats not just because they have played against the so-called minnows. Of the 19 ODI's played so far, 7 have been against Australia, 5 against England, 3 against Sri Lanka, and one each against West Indies, Bangladesh, Canada, and Kenya.
If thats not called peaking, then I dont know what is. Simply put, NZ are more than a dark horse for this WC, they should be one of the favourites. You always hear about Australia's dominating batting line-up, but how bout NZ's?
Here is Australia's top 8 batsmen in terms of runs for 2007
(Australia, like New Zealand have also played 3 minnows in The Netherlands, Scotland, and Bangaldesh)
The stats look the same apart from Hayden and Ponting, who really stand out from the crowd. But the stats show both are dominating batting line-ups. Australia are a little more reliant on the top order, Hayden and Ponting in particular. New Zealand bat longer down and are slightly more reliant on there middle to lower order, the likes of McMillan, Oram, and McCullum.
New Zealand's top order has an inform Fleming, but with Vincent out, and Taylor still to come back is obviously weaker than Australia's top order. But the opposite can be said for the middle to lower order of Australia, with Hussey in a slump, Symonds coming back into the side for either Hodge, and a longer tail (although Hogg has shown he can do his part with the bat)
So yes, Australia does have a dominating batting line-up, but so do New Zealand, even without Vincent. So I don't why there is all this talk about Australia going to crush all sides with there batting. What about New Zealand's batting? If you look at the stats.....
And I havent even mention the big X-factor in this whole thing. The Bond-factor
Bond vs Australia: 11 matches, 34 wickets @ 13.88, econ 4.52, S/R 18.4
Bond vs Gilchrist: 3 times dismissed @ 17.66
Bond vs Hayden: 1 time dismissed @ 1.00
Bond vs Ponting: 6 times dismissed @ 17.83
So if Bond mops up both Ponting and Hayden cheaply, then its game on! And we all no about New Zealand's chasing.
I see New Zealand steamrolling both Sri Lanka and South Africa, and going into the undefeated vs undefeated final Super 8 match against Australia, where the winner will remain undefeated and take top spot through to the semis. You heard it here, first!
But, I'm gonna play the stats game here to show current form
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[B]NZ ODI Stats for 2007[/B] (career averages in parenthesis)
SP Fleming 596 runs @ [B]39.73[/B], S/R [B]78.62[/B]
[I](32.78) (71.46)[/I]
RL Taylor 495 runs @ 35.35, S/R 79.45
[I]([B]40.23[/B]) ([B]83.31[/B])[/I]
L Vincent 474 runs @ [B]52.66[/B], S/R [B]80.06[/B]
[I](28.27) (70.05)[/I]
CD McMillan 470 runs @ [B]42.72[/B], S/R [B]95.14[/B]
[I](28.34) (75.96)[/I]
PG Fulton 458 runs @ [B]35.23[/B], S/R [B]78.42[/B]
[I](33.73) (76.12)[/I]
JDP Oram 362 runs @ [B]90.50[/B], S/R [B]111.04[/B]
[I](23.17) (80.99)[/I]
BB McCullum 357 runs @ [B]35.70[/B], S/R [B]102.00[/B]
[I](23.53) (82.09)[/I]
SB Styris 325 runs @ [B]54.16[/B], S/R [B]87.83[/B]
[I](30.70) (78.85)[/I]But for all the others, they are all punching well above their respective career averages, and strike rates. And thats not just because they have played against the so-called minnows. Of the 19 ODI's played so far, 7 have been against Australia, 5 against England, 3 against Sri Lanka, and one each against West Indies, Bangladesh, Canada, and Kenya.
If thats not called peaking, then I dont know what is. Simply put, NZ are more than a dark horse for this WC, they should be one of the favourites. You always hear about Australia's dominating batting line-up, but how bout NZ's?
Here is Australia's top 8 batsmen in terms of runs for 2007
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[B]AUS ODI Stats for 2007[/B]
MT Hayden 1001 runs @ 66.73, S/R 89.21
RT Ponting 707 runs @ 70.70, S/R 94.01
MJ Clarke 509 runs @ 46.27, S/R 80.66
BJ Hodge 437 runs @ 54.62, S/R 105.81
AC Gilchrist 433 runs @ 30.92, S/R 96.86
MEK Hussey 371 runs @ 30.91, S/R 80.47
A Symonds 205 runs @ 34.16, S/R 105.12
SR Watson 199 runs @ 49.75, S/R 95.67The stats look the same apart from Hayden and Ponting, who really stand out from the crowd. But the stats show both are dominating batting line-ups. Australia are a little more reliant on the top order, Hayden and Ponting in particular. New Zealand bat longer down and are slightly more reliant on there middle to lower order, the likes of McMillan, Oram, and McCullum.
New Zealand's top order has an inform Fleming, but with Vincent out, and Taylor still to come back is obviously weaker than Australia's top order. But the opposite can be said for the middle to lower order of Australia, with Hussey in a slump, Symonds coming back into the side for either Hodge, and a longer tail (although Hogg has shown he can do his part with the bat)
So yes, Australia does have a dominating batting line-up, but so do New Zealand, even without Vincent. So I don't why there is all this talk about Australia going to crush all sides with there batting. What about New Zealand's batting? If you look at the stats.....
And I havent even mention the big X-factor in this whole thing. The Bond-factor
Bond vs Australia: 11 matches, 34 wickets @ 13.88, econ 4.52, S/R 18.4
Bond vs Gilchrist: 3 times dismissed @ 17.66
Bond vs Hayden: 1 time dismissed @ 1.00
Bond vs Ponting: 6 times dismissed @ 17.83
So if Bond mops up both Ponting and Hayden cheaply, then its game on! And we all no about New Zealand's chasing.
I see New Zealand steamrolling both Sri Lanka and South Africa, and going into the undefeated vs undefeated final Super 8 match against Australia, where the winner will remain undefeated and take top spot through to the semis. You heard it here, first!
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Some good information there. I'm quite worried about RSA personally. I think they've typically been a team we've struggled against. I also worry about teams putting us in to bat, especially Australia...
We bet them in in the champions trophy and both teams have won their last series home series against the other. I think we have finally got that SA monkey off our back....... but time will tell.
I think one our major cocern is Bond & Vettori against SA.
Bond vs SA
(6 ball overs) Mat O R W BB1 BB2 Ave Econ SR 4w 5w
v South Africa 11 94.2 484 14 4/37 2/42 34.57 5.13 40.4 1 0
Vettori
(6 ball overs) Mat O R W BB1 BB2 Ave Econ SR 4w 5w
South Africa 31 198.1 894 18 2/18 2/37 49.66 4.51 66.0 0 0
Vettori's test record
(6 ball overs) Mat O R W BB1 BB2 Ave Econ SR 4w 5w
v South Africa 9 367.3 1051 15 4/153 5/160 70.06 2.85 147.0 0 0
Both have played a lot of games against SA and the reading ain't flash :/