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archie mac

International Coach
I'd be willing to debate with you, though, I'm afraid that my arguments for baseball would be met with some hostility on these forums.:unsure:



What's SS?

Also, I can't be the first person to realize this, but the fact that cricket focuses so much on the international aspect of the game (instead of a domestic league structure) has to be a major hindrance in the expansion of cricket outside of traditional cricketing countries.

I mean, Americans usually only care about leagues where the best of the best play. If the national teams are the best of the best, that means that Americans will only care about cricket when America is a good cricketing nation. However, America will never be a good cricketing nation if no one ever cares about cricket.

I feel that at least part of soccer's boom in popularity in the US was that it was easy for Americans to identify, wow Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal, AC Milan, Real Madrid,etc. are really good and have the best players, they're my favorite team. Which helped to make the big names of soccer household names (Beckham, Rooney, Ronaldinho, Henry, etc.) and helped to create fans for these teams and in turn the game. (Not to mention the fact that they also created a new market in which they can sell jerseys and merchandise.)

So, basically, I'm just saying that focusing so much on the international game makes it difficult for everyone except those who in historically strong cricketing nations to become fans of cricket and has thus drastically stunted the popularity of cricket in the rest of the world.
I think Soccer (for the people who hate the term:happy: ) is a much easier game to follow then cricket, the same as Tennis, where as cricket can be very hard to explain.

I do understand that the finer points of Soccer are very hard to learn, I for one get confused when real soccer supporters are talking; with different structures and the like:wacko:
 

archie mac

International Coach
I'd have that debate with you and play the devil's advocate. I enjoy cricket more because I was born and grew up with it, but baseball could very well be a "better" game (by my subjective criteria obviously).
OK that should be fun, I will start a new thread, and will have to be careful as my Baseball knowledge is not great, but will be enough to win this debate:dry: :laugh:
 

Matteh

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Believe Dish Network is a cable provider in the US that does cricket.

As for that Italian guy Jamee mentioned, i've seen play cricket. He's lefthanded, so it wasn't pretty.
 

Drubs

Cricket Spectator
Hello fellow American. You will quickly find that cricket is far more fun than baseball. I grew up on baseball then made the leap to cricket. There are leagues everywhere, but they are mostly comprised of middle aged Indian or Pakistani men.
Concerning watching live matches, you can just watch them online for free. But understand that they are usually not on during the most convenient times. If you want something on your tv, you'll need probably need direct tv, but the packages arent cheap
 

Burgey

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How I hate that phrase :ph34r:
Word, not phrase. :p

Depends where you're from really. In Australia there is AFL, League, Union and Soccer - 4 "footy" codes to choose from. The term is in wide use here because if you say to someone "let's play football", they'll probably produce a Sherrin or a Steeden, rather than an Umbro.
 

whatscricket

Cricket Spectator
Hello fellow American. You will quickly find that cricket is far more fun than baseball. I grew up on baseball then made the leap to cricket. There are leagues everywhere, but they are mostly comprised of middle aged Indian or Pakistani men.
Concerning watching live matches, you can just watch them online for free. But understand that they are usually not on during the most convenient times. If you want something on your tv, you'll need probably need direct tv, but the packages arent cheap
What websites show cricket matches for free?

Also, this is a general cricket question that I ask at the risk of sounding very cricket ignorant: Are spin bowlers really just as effective as fast bowlers who are throwing the ball 40-50 MPH faster than them?

It seems like a ball that is only going 50 MPH should be fairly easy to hit for someone who is used to hit 90 MPH balls, even if it does spin.
 

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What websites show cricket matches for free?

Also, this is a general cricket question that I ask at the risk of sounding very cricket ignorant: Are spin bowlers really just as effective as fast bowlers who are throwing the ball 40-50 MPH faster than them?

It seems like a ball that is only going 50 MPH should be fairly easy to hit for someone who is used to hit 90 MPH balls, even if it does spin.
Before Richard and SS (notorious anti-spin blokes 'round these parts) jump in, I'll first say one thing; the two top wicket-takers in the history of Test cricket are spinners.

That said, the effectiveness of spinners has changed dramatically over the years but particularly since pitches started becoming covered during period of inclement weather and after each day's play which was in the 60's(?). The reasons are many and varied, really, and I'll try to explain them later.

Spinners depend on a few things to be successful. Because they're bowling at a slower pace, though, a few more tricks become available to them; at a slower speed, the ball drifts sideways more, in the opposite direction of the way the ball spins generally.

The degree of spin is a big weapon, sure, but not the only one. Some spinners can spin the ball only one way, some both ways, depends on the player. Anil Kumble is the perfect example of a spinner who doesn't depends on freakish spin to get wickets.

Flight is a big weapon too. One example; bowling with a loopier flight seems like it'd make it easier to hit the ball but it can make it more difficult for batsmen because the ball can 'drop' before it reaches them so in going to take a swing at a loopy ball, suddenly the ball will land in a different place than the batsman thought it would and they might mistime a big shot or a defensive one.

Another big weapon is deception and both flight, drift and degree of spin come into this. A spinner might bowl a few loopy deliveries which spin and then shoot in a much faster one that doesn't. Of bowl some quicker deliveries then throw a loopy one to tempt the batsman to try for a big shot hoping for the mis-cue and pop-fly catch. Or they might bowl several straight ones then a big turning delivery or reverse that. Depends on the batsman a lot of the time. Top quality bowlers (like Muttiah Muralidaran and Shane Warne) can often spin the ball so far that they can just rip a delivery through the batsman's defence. Two examples, one from each bowler;

Warne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeLn8sEAKfE&NR=1

Murali

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnRbdfB2syw

These are all issues which the bowler him/herself controls.

Then there are the things which the bowlers have no control over which has led to a decreased emphasis on attacking spinners over the years with only the very, very best (Murali, Warne, Kumble) have prospered. The issue of covered pitches has meant that what used to be a great weapon for spinners, pitches affected by rain or wear-and-tear over the course of the first few days of a match, has been largely negated. Rain used to make pitches very uneven and this would affect bounce so as to make it less predictable. e.g. two deliveries landing in the same spot on the pitch would bounce/spin differently or at least less predictably. This, obviously, makes batting far more difficult. This also affects pace bowlers but their effectiveness isn't as dependent on uneven bounce as spinners. Pitches like these are called 'sticky wickets'.

Lack of wear-and-tear on pitches is also a contributing factor to the dearth of spinners in Test sides these days. If you watch an entire 5-day Test, you'll notice and hear commentators speaking about the wear-and-tear on pitches that happens just in using them for the game. Bowlers running into bowl, their sprigs take chunks of turf out of the pitch. As the match wears on, the damaged caused to the pitch becomes more pronounced. Spinners use these to get more spin and unpredictable bounce. For an example, see this ball from Warne;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBd_EZVuARk

You can't see properly where it lands but the puff of dust as it bounces indicates it hit one of these wear spots caused by the bowlers running in to bowl from the other end you can see how much this ball spun.

Anyway, with the covering of pitches, obviously there are no sticky wickets at Test or First-Class level any more and the effects of sprig wear-and-tear have been somewhat negated. So it's harder to be a spinner these days but not impossible if you don't rely external factors to do well.

Hope that helps.
 

Shaggy Alfresco

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Americans who are interested in soccer keep up with the English Premier League or La Liga and adopt Manchester United, Chelsea, Real Madrid, etc. as their favorite team. And they do this because these teams have the best players in the world on them.
And these people would be scum. Especially Chelsea.
 

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What websites show cricket matches for free?

Also, this is a general cricket question that I ask at the risk of sounding very cricket ignorant: Are spin bowlers really just as effective as fast bowlers who are throwing the ball 40-50 MPH faster than them?

It seems like a ball that is only going 50 MPH should be fairly easy to hit for someone who is used to hit 90 MPH balls, even if it does spin.
Another thing, which is clearer when watching at the ground as opposed to on tv, is that spinners do actually bowl at a decent enough pace. Particularly when someone like Anil Kumble bowls, the batsman still has well under a second to react- and the ball could turn either way off the pitch.
 

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