Nathan Lyon

[Malcolm]

IMO, Ashwin is much more threatening than Lyon in favorable conditions while Lyon is slightly better in unfavorable conditions. I don't think Jadeja is on that level.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Of course. But you have pretty consistently idiotic opinions on cricket.

**** off, name one

 

[Adders]

**** off, name one

Nah he's right Brah........you are pretty **** tbh.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Nah he's right Brah........you are pretty **** tbh.

Never been wrong though

I was telling all you all that Steve Smith was a stuck up **** back in 2013

 

[flibbertyjibber]

It's pretty remarkable that people like Giles or Panesar (though the latter was probably comparable as an attacking spinner) were picked ahead of Swann for so long. I know his county performances were pretty meh but surely they could see how his bowling was (and as a bonus he could bat and field unlike Monty)

Fletcher hated him for being a tool on his first tour to SA just after taking over as coach. Took a long time to rid the troublemaker image and maybe the KP saga showed he never truly got rid of it.

 

[Flem274*]

Never been wrong though

I was telling all you all that Steve Smith was a stuck up **** back in 2013

i had no idea you've been around since 2013. could have sworn a year or 2 at most.

 

[TheJediBrah]

i had no idea you've been around since 2013. could have sworn a year or 2 at most.

dw, I only just realised you and zinzan were different people the other day

 

[Maximas]

dw, I only just realised you and zinzan were different people the other day

Should check out the politics subbie once in a while lol...

 

[TheJediBrah]

Should check out the politics subbie once in a while lol...

I cause enough trouble in cricket chat

 

[Daemon]

You know CW is in peacetime when you’re hating on TJB’s opinions. Remember when he was the voice of reason in the whole Hadlee debate?

 

[TheJediBrah]

I need Miyagi to come back so you all like me

 

[cnerd123]

I need Miyagi to come back so you all like me

Seeking approval of people on a cricket forum

Pretty beta of you mate

 

[Bijed]

I need Miyagi to come back so you all like me

Please can everyone be really nice to TJB for a while, if just to avoid Miyagi coming back

 

[TheJediBrah]

Seeking approval of people on a cricket forum

Pretty beta of you mate

I want to make a comeback but I'm just so proud of you for supporting the alpha/beta theories

 

[Burgey]

Anyway, Herath is better than every other spinner since Murali retired, by a fairly comfortable margin, IMO. What a man.

Herath is quite literally twice the man Lyon is.

 

[MrPrez]

Lyon probably the best offie post-Murali but ATG is definitely a stretch. We've had pretty poor spin bowling stocks in recent years which makes him look a bit better than he is.

ATG offies are guys like Gibbs, Tayfield, Laker, Saqlain etc who were all comfortably better than Lyon.

Not a diss on Lyon, who is quality, but he's a rung below ATG.

 

[trundler]

We've had a dearth of openers too. Pretty good fast bowling though and every team has 1 or 2 world class bat. No big name middle orders either.

 

[Maximas]

Herath is quite literally twice the man Lyon is.

Twice as rotund, half as high

 

[a massive zebra]

Laker, Gibbs, Saqlain and Trumble deserve to belong in the conversation of ATG right arm offies.

If we include left handed versions then Herath, Verity, Bedi rank above Lyon off the top of my head.

Might be a name or two I'm missing as well.

You might also consider Prasanna, Tayfield and Ramadhin as right arm offies and Underwood, Rhodes and Shakib as left arm.

 

[trundler]

Underwood's effectiveness took a hit because of covered pitches so he'd have to be alongside Lyon, no? A rung or 2 below. Laker and Tayfield impressed in Australia as well as elsewhere. Tayfield never played West Indies, against whom Laker's record is markedly less impressive, however. And that is precisely why spinners will always remain second to fast men — because they're completely nullified by good players of spin. Imagine a world where Malcolm Marshall was hopeless against Border and Gavaskar, instead of the other way around.