MY View on this

[PhoenixFire]

Listen, I don't go around London, go up to groups of black people and call them Niggers instead of people, I have never once called a black person a ******, and never intend to, but what I'm trying to get at, is that you shouldn't immediatley be labelled a racist if you call a black man a ******.

 

[silentstriker]

Listen, I don't go around London, go up to groups of black people and call them Niggers instead of people, I have never once called a black person a ******, and never intend to, but what I'm trying to get at, is that you shouldn't immediatley be labelled a racist if you call a black man a ******.

If you, as a white person, ever go up to someone and call them a ******, you are either incredibly ignorant of the word, or are racist.

Also, if you don't ever intend to go up to someone and use that word, doesn't that tell you that maybe there is something in that word?

 

[PhoenixFire]

If you, as a white person, ever go up to someone and call them a ******, you are either incredibly ignorant of the word, or are racist.

Also, if you don't ever intend to go up to someone and use that word, doesn't that tell you that maybe there is something in that word?

I agree that it is a racist word, and that it would be an awful thing to say to somebody, but not in every circumstance.

 

[chris.hinton]

I sorry for the mistype.... can we please forget this

 

[AussieDominance]

Chris i accept your apology but if you do it again ill have to belt your brains in OK?

 

[Matteh]

I disagree with dictionary.com.

The word that you say when you say 'Mike Hunt' is the most offensive.

 

[Dasa]

Listen, I don't go around London, go up to groups of black people and call them Niggers instead of people, I have never once called a black person a ******, and never intend to, but what I'm trying to get at, is that you shouldn't immediatley be labelled a racist if you call a black man a ******.

Nah, you pretty much should.

I agree that it is a racist word, and that it would be an awful thing to say to somebody, but not in every circumstance.

It is offensive in almost all circumstances. I can't quite see why you're seeking to justify the use of the word anyway.

 

[Matteh]

Are the Robertson's Preserves 'Golly' characters now a symbol of racism?

These things in case you don't know what i mean.

EDIT: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2069322,00.html Turns out Political Correctness has indeed gone mad.

 

[Dasa]

I don't know the history behind them, but it looks to me like the character is something similar to a golliwog character, in which case it definitely is a symbol of racism. I mean, it's (the golliwog) obviously based on a negative racial stereotype of the simple (stupid), but friendly and loyal black man. The character is portrayed not so much as human than as some sort of loyal animal following the white man's bidding.

 

[Matteh]

I don't know the history behind them, but it looks to me like the character is something similar to a golliwog character, in which case it definitely is a symbol of racism. I mean, it's (the golliwog) obviously based on a negative racial stereotype of the simple (stupid), but friendly and loyal black man. The character is portrayed not so much as human than as some sort of loyal animal following the white man's bidding.

You got all that from one picture of a 'golliwogg'.
Ever thought of becoming a spin doctor?

 

[Nate]

People PLEEEEASSSEEEE I don`t wanna see a Hinton thread get closed, it just ain`t right. Let`s hold hands and sing for peaaaaaceeeee

 

[pasag]

A word should only be offensive if it is used in offensive situations, that being said there really aren't any situation the 'N' word is not offensive and really, it's the worst of the worst. There are no (or extremely little) acceptable contexts for the useage of the word.

Go down to where I lived in NY and say it and you will not come out alive, fact.

 

[Dasa]

You got all that from one picture of a 'golliwogg'.
Ever thought of becoming a spin doctor?

Very funny.
I didn't get all that from one picture of a golliwogg, I got all that from my knowledge of history. Read up on it a bit. As to that article you linked to - nothing to do with political correctness, everything to do with not offending people...unfortunately, it seems as if nowadays you can be as racist/***ist as you like and justify it by saying you''re just opposing 'PC'. I also noticed your article didn't have a word about the racist undertones of the golliwogg image...so you have a problem with 'PC', but no problem with whitewashing history. Interesting.

 

[Matteh]

Very funny.
I didn't get all that from one picture of a golliwogg, I got all that from my knowledge of history. Read up on it a bit.

And you have the gall to accuse me of using a tone of intellectual superiority.

As to that article you linked to - nothing to do with political correctness, everything to do with not offending people...unfortunately, it seems as if nowadays you can be as racist/***ist as you like and justify it by saying you''re just opposing 'PC'.

Isn't political correctness all about not offending people? If you're a racist then i guess you must try and find loopholes to justify your beliefs, but you can still be anti the over PC-ing of society and not be a racist/***ist.

I also noticed your article didn't have a word about the racist undertones of the golliwogg image...so you have a problem with 'PC', but no problem with whitewashing history. Interesting.

Why would it need to? The average Times reader isn't look for the breasts on the third page and will make the connection between 'Golliwogg' and the offensive term that has developed from this name. The doll is popular through a combination of jam sales and a knowledge that there's an innocence about it in that it's not setting out to be a racist figure.

 

[Dasa]

cbf. Wrong thread for it anyway.

 

[adharcric]

A word should only be offensive if it is used in offensive situations, that being said there really aren't any situation the 'N' word is not offensive and really, it's the worst of the worst. There are no (or extremely little) acceptable contexts for the useage of the word.

Go down to where I lived in NY and say it and you will not come out alive, fact.

There are very few acceptable situations - for example, the "wassup nigga" greetings that are quite common between certain teenage groups now.
Of course, it's only acceptable when there are no black people involved (I've seen white/indian/chinese guys call each other niggas) or when there are only black people involved. Clearly shouldn't be used publicly, but there's no reason to get so anal about it otherwise. If the understanding is already there, using the term isn't such a big deal.
That said, I wouldn't use the term because I wouldn't want it to slip out at the wrong time (even if there was no bad intention, I'd get my ass owned as Pasag just noted).

 

[GIMH]

Isn't political correctness all about not offending people? If you're a racist then i guess you must try and find loopholes to justify your beliefs, but you can still be anti the over PC-ing of society and not be a racist/***ist.

Spot on this IMO. The fact is, that this country has gotten so PC there are many, many things you can't say or do. Having a St. George's flag flying on St. George's day may offend minorities, Christmas lights really should be labelled "Winter celebration lights" so as not to offend minority religions, Gingerbread men are now Gingerbread people, blackboards are chalkboards etc etc. If thinking that all that is stupid makes me a racist...well that would be the final proof in my eyes that the world's gone mad.