Muralitharan a burglar,a thief and a dacoit : Bedi

[BoyBrumby]

It was proved that Hair acted like an idiot and was riding too much of a high horse to be an international umpire. To be specific, he lacked something which must be the first thing an international official should possess: common sense and he was banned because of that. Quite funny how firing an incompetent employee generates so much argument simply because the body is ICC and the employee is Darrell Hair......

I wasn't debating the rights & wrongs of Hair's removal, to be fair, rather countering Richard's assertion that only "conspiracy theorists" supported his exile.

 

[Richard]

Actually missed this (somehow) when I was reading hbh's set of posts earlier...

It was proved that Hair acted like an idiot and was riding too much of a high horse to be an international umpire. To be specific, he lacked something which must be the first thing an international official should possess: common sense and he was banned because of that. Quite funny how firing an incompetent employee generates so much argument simply because the body is ICC and the employee is Darrell Hair......

Bit harsh (and unusually so for you) IMO. Undoubtedly, Hair's acts in the Oval Test 2006 were not sensible ones and created a huge furore which need not have been created.

Nonetheless, by-and-large he was a good Umpire and I believe talk of his "incompetence" in general is vastly exaggerated. Some have painted him black when in reality IMO he is no more than a little grey.

 

[pup11]

I think Hair's issue was dealt in a very childish manner by the ICC due to pressure from sub-continent boards, Hair made a judgemental error he thought the ball is being tampered with, so he fined Pakistan 5 runs but throughout the process he wasn't in discussion with the Pakistani team which was wrong.

 

[pup11]

Btw if Murali is suing Bedi because he calls him a chucker then the next man on Murali's list could be John Howard , anyways there are millions of people out there who think Murali chucks and probably Murali is just trying to send a message across to all of them by suing Bedi.

 

[Mahindinho]

Btw if Murali is suing Bedi because he calls him a chucker then the next man on Murali's list could be John Howard , anyways there are millions of people out there who think Murali chucks and probably Murali is just trying to send a message across to all of them by suing Bedi.

Erm, I really don't think it's just because Bedi called him a chucker...or have you not read the thread title?

If someone highly respected (or at least, formerly highly respected) in your field came out in the national/global press calling you a lying thieving grade A w*****, you're not going to be happy. I know I wouldn't be.

 

[social]

But as we all know, he doesn't chuck, .

I dont think anyone is totally convinced

 

[JASON]

Rob Steen missed one other Case where the libelled party actually won a huge pay out.

I am referring to the Case where Clive LLoyd was accused by one of the Australian Newspapers of throwing a game (and letting the Aussies win)and thus cheating in a Benson and Hedges game (as the Triangular series was called then around early 80s or late 70s). The article IIRC was titled "Come on Dollar, Come on" or some such thing like that. And the article blatantly accused Clive Lloyd of cheating by allowing the Aussies win a game against West Indies.(thus allowing Australia and not the 3rd team [who I cannot remember] to reach the Tri-Series Finals series)

Needless to Say Clive won a huge payout in Court . There are definite parallels to this case even if they are not similar in context...ie the player in question being accused of cheating and unsportsman behaviour and reputation being tarnished...

I hope the Sri Lankan Team hire the Best Lawyer in India to fight Bishen Bedi.

 

[JBH001]

I do think it's unfair. I have just stated it in the above posts a few examples.

It's unfair in nature, others don't have it, not even to a degree. But it's fair in terms of the rules I guess, yes.

It is unfair to both. Bowlers who can't replicate it without being outside the rules and batsmen who have to face something rather unique that they can't really be simulated to be prepared against.

No, I don't think it lessens his achievements. But to state the fact that his wrists have helped him shouldn't be such a talking point either.

Interesting. So I was right, and I dont owe you an apology. Thanks.

 

[social]

Rob Steen missed one other Case where the libelled party actually won a huge pay out.

I am referring to the Case where Clive LLoyd was accused by one of the Australian Newspapers of throwing a game (and letting the Aussies win)and thus cheating in a Benson and Hedges game (as the Triangular series was called then around early 80s or late 70s). The article IIRC was titled "Come on Dollar, Come on" or some such thing like that. And the article blatantly accused Clive Lloyd of cheating by allowing the Aussies win a game against West Indies.(thus allowing Australia and not the 3rd team [who I cannot remember] to reach the Tri-Series Finals series)

Needless to Say Clive won a huge payout in Court . There are definite parallels to this case even if they are not similar in context...ie the player in question being accused of cheating and unsportsman behaviour and reputation being tarnished...

I hope the Sri Lankan Team hire the Best Lawyer in India to fight Bishen Bedi.

Bedi's comments were definitely over the top and deserve punishment

However, the law (and particularly the Indian legal system) being what it is the chances of a satisfactory and timely resolution are miniscule IMO

 

[maxpower]

wow it took bedi's opinion to start this thread again ?

 

[honestbharani]

Um, reply to the bolded part: No, that is not what I am saying and I don't know why I KEEP having to say this. Maybe it has to do with people replying to me AS IF I've said it, in which they keep missing the mark...again and again.

sorry mate... I thought that is wat u said and if it wasn't, then I am really sorry abt all my previous posts which were made with that assumption.



But the fact that me, Dasa, Adharcric, Sanz and a few others thought that that is what u meant means that perhaps u didn't exactly put it across the best way. Anyways, we will leave it at that.

 

[honestbharani]

Oh yeah...



That's seriously, seriously impressive, BTW, hbh. But for Sean's interference () that'd be 15 in a row, almost threatening LA-ICE E's record.

lol.... I don't get too much time online nowadays, so juz getting it all in whenever I can.


Also, my posting time seems to coincide with very less activity at CW. so I generally go for a lot of posts without anyone else getting one in.

 

[honestbharani]

Actually missed this (somehow) when I was reading hbh's set of posts earlier...

Bit harsh (and unusually so for you) IMO. Undoubtedly, Hair's acts in the Oval Test 2006 were not sensible ones and created a huge furore which need not have been created.

Nonetheless, by-and-large he was a good Umpire and I believe talk of his "incompetence" in general is vastly exaggerated. Some have painted him black when in reality IMO he is no more than a little grey.

He was a good umpire in the sense that he got the LBWs and caught behinds right more than some of the ones we have now... I never had a problem with him in that regard.

But it has often been seen that he acts a bit high handed, esp. with Pakistan and they have had some legitimate (and some nonsense) complaints against him over the years and then, given the way he acted that day, esp. since it has come out that the ball wasn't really tampered with, it was only fitting that he was sent out. I am not really averse to a recall for him, provided he has learned that the umpire is there to ensure the game goes well, not to control and act like a high school headmaster against teams that he has a problem with.....

 

[archie mac]

He was a good umpire in the sense that he got the LBWs and caught behinds right more than some of the ones we have now... I never had a problem with him in that regard.

But it has often been seen that he acts a bit high handed, esp. with Pakistan and they have had some legitimate (and some nonsense) complaints against him over the years and then, given the way he acted that day, esp. since it has come out that the ball wasn't really tampered with, it was only fitting that he was sent out. I am not really averse to a recall for him, provided he has learned that the umpire is there to ensure the game goes well, not to control and act like a high school headmaster against teams that he has a problem with.....

Without being on the field I am not sure you can be certain of his treatment of the players on the field. And yet again there were two umpires out there

 

[biased indian]

Without being on the field I am not sure you can be certain of his treatment of the players on the field. And yet again there were two umpires out there

that was the case when he no balled murali rite ther were 2 umpires but he only called him....

and i f i remmebr it was he who was in the thick of action on that day.and billy was just being aprt of it with out taking any sides

 

[honestbharani]

Without being on the field I am not sure you can be certain of his treatment of the players on the field. And yet again there were two umpires out there

I have read various reports across the internet on the issue. Also, it is not difficult to find out how much players respect/not care about an umpire from their onfield conduct it self, even on TV. Just watch how Indians get along with Darryl Harper or Aleem Dar and compare it with how they act with Bucknor. Teams have reservations abt certain umpires from time to time. As I said, from whatever I read, I thought some of their complaints abt Hair seemed legitimate enough while some were just nonsense. But it was obvious he has acted in a high handed with them more than once... Just how else can u accuse them of ball tampering without even giving them a chance to explain?

 

[JASON]

Rob Steen missed one other Case where the libelled party actually won a huge pay out.

I am referring to the Case where Clive LLoyd was accused by one of the Australian Newspapers of throwing a game (and letting the Aussies win)and thus cheating in a Benson and Hedges game (as the Triangular series was called then around early 80s or late 70s). The article IIRC was titled "Come on Dollar, Come on" or some such thing like that. And the article blatantly accused Clive Lloyd of cheating by allowing the Aussies win a game against West Indies.(thus allowing Australia and not the 3rd team [who I cannot remember] to reach the Tri-Series Finals series)

Needless to Say Clive won a huge payout in Court . There are definite parallels to this case even if they are not similar in context...ie the player in question being accused of cheating and unsportsman behaviour and reputation being tarnished...

I hope the Sri Lankan Team hire the Best Lawyer in India to fight Bishen Bedi.

While googling to find details or reports of the above case - stumbled on this one - Looks like Clive recently won a 10,000 Pound payout from a Sri Lankan paper for defamation.
http://www.5rb.co.uk/news/details.asp?newsid=268

Going by that case I would say Murali has a chance to make real Gold here by getting the case filed in the UK . Although only Lawyers can say about eligible Jurisdictions that the case can be filed in. But if Clive can file a case in the UK about something that happened in SL, Murali has some chance of doing same in the UK and the pay out will be huge in the UK , because unlike Lloyd case Murali has been defamed and slandered pretty badly here.

BTW if anyone has links to the case that I am talking about where Lloyd got a payout from an Aussie Newspaper can they post it please for everyone's benefit .

Clive Lloyd obviously has a habit of winning huge payouts !!

 

[Mahindinho]

wow it took bedi's opinion to start this thread again ?

*grin*

I think it's been simmering away just below the surface in plenty of other threads -- the ones that I open with a feeling of "oh no, not this again"

Somewhat surprisingly, this one's actually included some interesting debate. Some of the usual boneheadedness too, but nowhere near as much as usual

 

[Richard]

I think it's been simmering away just below the surface in plenty of other threads -- the ones that I open with a feeling of "oh no, not this again"

Haha, yeah, that's such a familiar feeling down the years.

 

[Richard]

I have read various reports across the internet on the issue. Also, it is not difficult to find out how much players respect/not care about an umpire from their onfield conduct it self, even on TV. Just watch how Indians get along with Darryl Harper or Aleem Dar and compare it with how they act with Bucknor. Teams have reservations abt certain umpires from time to time. As I said, from whatever I read, I thought some of their complaints abt Hair seemed legitimate enough while some were just nonsense. But it was obvious he has acted in a high handed with them more than once... Just how else can u accuse them of ball tampering without even giving them a chance to explain?

Daryl Harper's a hopeless Umpire though. I can't understand why the fact that he doesn't take some of the more controversial (and yes, of times silly) decisions should mean he should do more games and Hair less.

And yeah, the Indians have had an issue with Bucknor the way the Lankans and Pakistanis have with Hair. That doesn't neccessarily mean they're any of them right, though I've always said it's understandible of times for them to feel that way.