Murali's run out and the spirit of the game.

[Dick Rockett]

that doesn't change the fact that he did systematically sledge his way through series against India and RSA in recent years and then even admitted that it was a planned strategy.

 

[Butterteeth]

Good ol' Murali

Finally got to see this after hearing alot about it.

Spirit of the game just doesn't enter into it here.

It was his own fault for getting run out. The ball was so obviously still live - what I find unbelievable is that a professional cricketer would let that happen to him.

 

[honestbharani]

What name calling? All I said was the way you have been posting makes you look like a kiwi hater. You haven't been able to disprove that by giving me examples of all this supposed bad sportsmanship on their part. I'm asking you to do so.

the burden of proof lies with the accuser, EVERYWHERE. Anyways, if u think I am a kiwi-hater, so be it. The people who HAVE been on CW know if that is true or not. And calling someone a kiwi-hater on the basis of a few posts on ONE topic IS what we consider name-calling around here. Dunno abt your other forums. Doesn't work that way here. You stick to talking about the topic instead of making OTT accusations and assumptions based on a few posts you read on a single topic.


And I guess your love of Fleming will explain the objectivity of your posts to me.

 

[JF.]

the burden of proof lies with the accuser, EVERYWHERE. Anyways, if u think I am a kiwi-hater, so be it. The people who HAVE been on CW know if that is true or not. And calling someone a kiwi-hater on the basis of a few posts on ONE topic IS what we consider name-calling around here. Dunno abt your other forums. Doesn't work that way here. You stick to talking about the topic instead of making OTT accusations and assumptions based on a few posts you read on a single topic.


And I guess your love of Fleming will explain the objectivity of your posts to me.

Mate, you are the one who stated that the kiwis are the worst for poor sportsmanship. I made a comment which I happily retract, about you being a kiwi hater, (I've explained that the forum I frequent has very different standards and a comment like that would have meant nothing but if my apology isn't good enough for you, then so be it) but you have not been able to back up your assertion with examples. If you are going to be the accuser, then don't you think you should be the one upon whom the "burden of proof" lies?

My 'love' of Fleming has nothing to do with this. I've said several times that I would take the same stance if it was Australia (my team) or anyone else. In fact, I believe Gilly attempted a similar run out on KP just the other day.

To end this, I am happy to agree to disagree.

 

[archie mac]

Mate, you are the one who stated that the kiwis are the worst for poor sportsmanship. I made a comment which I happily retract, about you being a kiwi hater, (I've explained that the forum I frequent has very different standards and a comment like that would have meant nothing but if my apology isn't good enough for you, then so be it) but you have not been able to back up your assertion with examples. If you are going to be the accuser, then don't you think you should be the one upon whom the "burden of proof" lies?

My 'love' of Fleming has nothing to do with this. I've said several times that I would take the same stance if it was Australia (my team) or anyone else. In fact, I believe Gilly attempted a similar run out on KP just the other day.

To end this, I am happy to agree to disagree.

JF. check out the awards forum, you won a couple this week

Though you may not care

 

[silentstriker]

then, good on him. But that doesn't change the fact that he did systematically sledge his way through series against India and RSA in recent years and then even admitted that it was a planned strategy.

Wait, whats wrong with sledging again? The series with SA wouldn't have been half as fun without Sreesanth and Nel.

 

[JF.]

JF. check out the awards forum, you won a couple this week

Though you may not care

I will if I can find it!!

 

[JF.]

Something of interest to those insisting on good sportsmanship and upholding the spirit of the game. I've been informed by a kiwi friend of mine that the umps were going to wear a white sweater around their waists when Malinga was bowling so that the players could pick up the ball rather than have it coming from the darkness of the umpires trousers.

I'm told that the SL skipper argued with the umpires and had them remove the sweaters.

What was that about sportsmanship again?

 

[Jono]

I believe Jayawardene didn't want Jerling wearing the sweater around his waist like a skirt because it made him look like a cross-dressing fairy. And that goes against the spirit of the game or something of the sort.

Darell Hair refused to wear something to cover his black pants last year didn't he?

 

[JF.]

I believe Jayawardene didn't want Jerling wearing the sweater around his waist like a skirt because it made him look like a cross-dressing fairy. And that goes against the spirit of the game or something of the sort.

Darell Hair refused to wear something to cover his black pants last year didn't he?

Oh yeah, that's really believable isn't it?

Dunno about Hair.

 

[Jono]

You've gotta lighten up JF.

Anyway here's the article regarding Hair. It was in fact in 2004/05 when Sri Lanka first toured NZ.

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/143994.html

And Fleming not happy with it:

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/143933.html

Hair is a stubborn man, but you can't accuse him of anti-Asian bias here.

 

[pasag]

Yeah, chill out JF.

 

[JF.]

You've gotta lighten up JF.

Anyway here's the article regarding Hair. It was in fact in 2004/05 when Sri Lanka first toured NZ.

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/143994.html

And Fleming not happy with it:

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/143933.html

Hair is a stubborn man, but you can't accuse him of anti-Asian bias here.

Sorry mate but some people here have taken a hard line with some of my posting. Usually I would laugh at such a comment.

What I was referring to was what someone has just told me about what just happened in the test just gone. I remember what happened last time.

Not sure about your comment re: Hair. I've never thought he was racist

 

[Jono]

That was a general comment really, because ironically, his decision to not change his clothing was aiding SL.

Anyway, I think its fine the umpires wearing the sweater around their waist, but its pretty embarassing for them at the same time. Umpire Jerling looked funny

I don't really blame Jayawardene for arguing against it, probably argued on precedent from the 04/05 series, but really, he's got no grounds.

 

[JF.]

That was a general comment really, because ironically, his decision to not change his clothing was aiding SL.

Anyway, I think its fine the umpires wearing the sweater around their waist, but its pretty embarassing for them at the same time. Umpire Jerling looked funny

I don't really blame Jayawardene for arguing against it, probably argued on precedent from the 04/05 series, but really, he's got no grounds.

I think it's hypocritical of him to complain about poor sportsmanship and then do this!
You can't have it both ways!

 

[honestbharani]

Wait, whats wrong with sledging again? The series with SA wouldn't have been half as fun without Sreesanth and Nel.

I never implied anywhere here that it was all wrong. I just said that a team who believe in sledging as a tactic through the duration of a series aren't the ones I would expect to be very sporting. Hence I said I wasn't surprised that New Zealand didn't do the sporting thing there.

 

[honestbharani]

Mate, you are the one who stated that the kiwis are the worst for poor sportsmanship. I made a comment which I happily retract, about you being a kiwi hater, (I've explained that the forum I frequent has very different standards and a comment like that would have meant nothing but if my apology isn't good enough for you, then so be it) but you have not been able to back up your assertion with examples. If you are going to be the accuser, then don't you think you should be the one upon whom the "burden of proof" lies?

My 'love' of Fleming has nothing to do with this. I've said several times that I would take the same stance if it was Australia (my team) or anyone else. In fact, I believe Gilly attempted a similar run out on KP just the other day.

To end this, I am happy to agree to disagree.

I didn't notice the part u had apologized. It's all cool, mate. It is common to have differences of opinion around here. WE have started off on the wrong note but hope we will have some interesting (and hopefully, mutually agreeable) conversations through CW.


BTW, sorry to say this so late, welcome to CW.


And congrats on the awards, whatever they are.

 

[honestbharani]

Something of interest to those insisting on good sportsmanship and upholding the spirit of the game. I've been informed by a kiwi friend of mine that the umps were going to wear a white sweater around their waists when Malinga was bowling so that the players could pick up the ball rather than have it coming from the darkness of the umpires trousers.

I'm told that the SL skipper argued with the umpires and had them remove the sweaters.

What was that about sportsmanship again?

That's wrong too. And I am not really sure Jayawardene is all that sporting, to be honest. Didn't he claim a bump ball catch of Ponting not too long ago? I stand against him as well. Just that in the last incident, Fleming wasn't being sporting. And in the incident that you have referred, Mahela is the one who is not being sporting. The fault is the same, really. (if you can call it a fault, that is.) Doesn't matter who it is. If you check on some of the Indian tour threads, u will see I have been rather harsh on Dhoni too, who has made a habit of claiming one bounce catches and then being proved wrong.


BTW, when I say wrong in this context, it is from a sportiveness POV. Obviously, by the rule book, there is nothing wrong with what Fleming, Jayawardene and Dhoni have done.

 

[_Ed_]

I think it's hypocritical of him to complain about poor sportsmanship and then do this!
You can't have it both ways!

I agree. I'd like to think that if we had a bowler like Malinga, Fleming wouldn't object to the umpires granting the batsmen's wish of putting sweaters in front of their trousers like that.

We may never know though...unless SL give us Malinga. Please?

 

[vic_orthdox]

Sledging has stuff all to do with "sportsmanship", IMO.