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Murali's run out and the spirit of the game.
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Langeveldt said:Oh dear..Unaware of what a joke is?
I am as aware as you are.
You are not the only one allowed to make jokes, is it?
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
then, good on him. But that doesn't change the fact that he did systematically sledge his way through series against India and RSA in recent years and then even admitted that it was a planned strategy._Ed_ said:
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
key word: BLAME.JF. said:Yes you are! Wtf?
"I am not blaming NZ for not being sporting... but they had the chance to do the sporting thing and they didn't" <<<<<< If you aren't blaming NZ, what is that???
I think you should quit while you're.... behind?
I said they COULD have acted more sportingly. It is not a compulsion that they should have acted sportingly. If it was a situation where they MUST have acted sportingly and they didn't, only then would I BLAME them for not doing it. Here I am merely criticizing them for not doing the sporting thing when they had the chance. Semantics, again.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
"you are kiwi hater"JF. said:
"I've ripped you apart"
Great debating, mate. Cheers.
JF.
School Boy/Girl Captain
Oh please... ducking and weaving again.honestbharani said:key word: BLAME.
I said they COULD have acted more sportingly. It is not a compulsion that they should have acted sportingly. If it was a situation where they MUST have acted sportingly and they didn't, only then would I BLAME them for not doing it. Here I am merely criticizing them for not doing the sporting thing when they had the chance. Semantics, again.
Either you have a problem with them, or you don't. I don't care for semantics. You have a problem with NZ.
JF.
School Boy/Girl Captain
He ONCE let fly at Graeme Smith - and admitted THAT was a planned strategy. I think you need to get your facts straight before you go making accusations.honestbharani said:
And as far as sledging goes, don't you think MY team (Australia) are far worse at that than NZ?
JF.
School Boy/Girl Captain
You have changed your stance so many times it's not funny. First you have a prob with NZ's sportsmanship. Then you don't. Then you have a prob with the rule. Then you say it's the interpretation of the rule. Then you say you aren't blaming NZ but in the same breath claim that they could have being more sporting. Oh, and the claim that NZ are worse than every other team when it comes to bad sportsmanship (or not enough good sportmanship) which you have - as yet - failed to back up.honestbharani said:"you are kiwi hater"
"I've ripped you apart"
Great debating, mate. Cheers.
Yes, I've ripped you apart. You can't back up any of the things you have claimed so each time you are beaten you change your stance.
Maybe you can prove to me that you are not a kiwi hater by giving me examples of how NZ have behaved worse than other teams in the past few years - I think you will struggle - but you made the claim so back it up - or shutup!
cameeel
International Captain
Trying to sound unbiased:Dravid said:
. Sangakarra hits the ball, calls for a single, thus getting 100
. After completing single, but while ball is still being fielded Murali taps his bat in the crease
. Murali goes to congratulate Sangakarra
. Keeper receives the throw and takes off the bails
. Murali is given out (run out)
. Cue 28 pages of debate on merits of NZ sportsmanship/ MM stupidity
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I ask the mods here, how do I respond to that? And how is a win/loss in a debate determined?JF. said:
I always felt in most debates nobody won or lost, unless the other guy comes around to one person's view.
You really want a competition mate, lets do a RP battle in an E-fed. THEN we will talk about winning and losing. Alright. In the meanwhile, if you think the thought that u have defeated me and have ripped me apart gives u that much pleasure, then plz be my guest.
Neil Pickup
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No score draw. No-one's offering anything but slanging and jumping up and down over old ground.
If you want to take it further, do it somewhere else where you don't irritate the rest of us.
If you want to take it further, do it somewhere else where you don't irritate the rest of us.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
That is what I said in my previous post. I believe in healthy debates about the game, not the sort of name-calling that JF seems to be intent on. As you said, there are other places on the internet to do that, but not here.Neil Pickup said:
Slow Love™
International Captain
LOL, weren't NZ awarded some big "Spirit of Cricket" last year?
I agree with much of what Jono has said in this thread. The "spirit of cricket", or good sportsmanship, or whatever you want to call it, isn't dead as long as we see examples of it, and we obviously still praise those situations when they occur. Yes, professionalism and the fact that people's careers depend on such decisions has probably reduced it's occurrence (or rather, shifted the parameters of what we might consider fair), but it hasn't made it obsolete, either. I think it's still the case that appealing for a handling the ball dismissal when a batsman bends down and picks up a ball to toss it to a fielder (and batsmen do this fairly often) will still get you booed and criticised as unsporting by the majority of cricket followers.
Regarding this particular situation, I'm not really convinced that NZ acted egregiously. Apart from the fact that I'm not sure that McCullum actually saw Murali grounding his bat and leaving, as the ball was returned, I think it can be argued that Murali's mistake was egregious in of itself, and not what one would regard as something that might occur in any match. If a junior cricketer had walked down the pitch like that when the ball was live and being returned to the keeper, you'd probably view it as a lesson that had to be learned. So it's hard to argue that more leniency should be extended (by the opposition) to an experienced, international level player, although I do have some sympathy for Murali given that he clearly didn't have it in his mind to attempt a run.
(BTW, I personally don't think that a player injuring himself going for a run, as some have suggested, is analogous to what happened here, because your intention in that case would be to go for a run - so if you fall over and don't make it, that's clearly tough. Murali obviousy didn't intend to run in this instance, his only intent was to congratulate Sangakkara.)
Incidentally, a funny thing happened today during the Perth test between Australia and England, where Kevin Pietersen also walked out of his crease while the ball was being returned. And Gilchrist in response rolled the ball at the stumps, in an attempt to run him out - but he missed. Nobody thought anything of it really - it may be that the personality of the players concerned plays it's part in how people judge such an incident.
I agree with much of what Jono has said in this thread. The "spirit of cricket", or good sportsmanship, or whatever you want to call it, isn't dead as long as we see examples of it, and we obviously still praise those situations when they occur. Yes, professionalism and the fact that people's careers depend on such decisions has probably reduced it's occurrence (or rather, shifted the parameters of what we might consider fair), but it hasn't made it obsolete, either. I think it's still the case that appealing for a handling the ball dismissal when a batsman bends down and picks up a ball to toss it to a fielder (and batsmen do this fairly often) will still get you booed and criticised as unsporting by the majority of cricket followers.
Regarding this particular situation, I'm not really convinced that NZ acted egregiously. Apart from the fact that I'm not sure that McCullum actually saw Murali grounding his bat and leaving, as the ball was returned, I think it can be argued that Murali's mistake was egregious in of itself, and not what one would regard as something that might occur in any match. If a junior cricketer had walked down the pitch like that when the ball was live and being returned to the keeper, you'd probably view it as a lesson that had to be learned. So it's hard to argue that more leniency should be extended (by the opposition) to an experienced, international level player, although I do have some sympathy for Murali given that he clearly didn't have it in his mind to attempt a run.
(BTW, I personally don't think that a player injuring himself going for a run, as some have suggested, is analogous to what happened here, because your intention in that case would be to go for a run - so if you fall over and don't make it, that's clearly tough. Murali obviousy didn't intend to run in this instance, his only intent was to congratulate Sangakkara.)
Incidentally, a funny thing happened today during the Perth test between Australia and England, where Kevin Pietersen also walked out of his crease while the ball was being returned. And Gilchrist in response rolled the ball at the stumps, in an attempt to run him out - but he missed. Nobody thought anything of it really - it may be that the personality of the players concerned plays it's part in how people judge such an incident.