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Murali's reputation in tatters? Check this out.

SpaceMonkey

International Debutant
Scallywag said:
Mr Warne has a medical problem with wieght and he can treat it with diuretics but its against the rules.

If he uses the diuretics and gets no advantage over any other so bowler why not let him use them. I know it could mask other drugs but Murali can mask the chuck too. Same rules for everybody, change them for Murali, change them for Warne.

Yeah i believe the medical term is 'over eating lazy b*stard' :)
 

Scallywag

Banned
SpaceMonkey said:
Yeah i believe the medical term is 'over eating lazy b*stard' :)
I dont know about the validity of his parents marriage but a medical condition is a medical condition. Think of all the little fat kiddies who cant play cricket because they are to fat and if they use diuretics to control their weight they will be victimised.
 

DJ

School Boy/Girl Captain
Who tested Jermaine Lawson recently? Why were no rule changes recommended after his tests?

Why, when the University of WA tested Shabbir, did they not recommend that the tolerance level be set at 15 degrees for all bowlers? Why is it that these 'recommendations' are only made when Murali and Shoaib are tested? Do they feel that it's important to have the rules changed when only the highest profile bowlers are found to be in breach of them? Why is it that Shabbir has to change his action, but for Murali and Shoaib the only changes should come in the rules?
 

Andre

International Regular
Scallywag said:
Mr Warne has a medical problem with wieght and he can treat it with diuretics but its against the rules.
No he doesn't - not even Warne himself has claimed that one!
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Scallywag said:
Mr Warne has a medical problem with wieght and he can treat it with diuretics but its against the rules.
Where's that Yaju post with the hundreds of 'Ha-Ha's on it?
Shane Warne is a brilliant spin bowler with a chronic condition indeed - only it's called 'vanity'.

You truly take the biscuit, Scallywag
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
DJ Bumfluff said:
Who tested Jermaine Lawson recently? Why were no rule changes recommended after his tests?
Because as a quick, his tolerance level is very high already, whereas the spin tolerance is a lot lower (for some unknown reason)
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Scallywag said:
Mr Warne has a medical problem with wieght and he can treat it with diuretics but its against the rules.

If he uses the diuretics and gets no advantage over any other so bowler why not let him use them. I know it could mask other drugs but Murali can mask the chuck too. Same rules for everybody, change them for Murali, change them for Warne.

Right, so you're advocating that players be allowed to use drugs that can cover up the taking of steroids etc. are you?

And how is Murali masking something that doesn't under current legislation exist?
 

Scallywag

Banned
marc71178 said:
Right, so you're advocating that players be allowed to use drugs that can cover up the taking of steroids etc. are you?

And how is Murali masking something that doesn't under current legislation exist?
I might be wrong marc71178 but when asked too Murali was able to reduce the amount of bend from 14 deg to 10.2 deg. So if you allow him 10 deg tolerance how do you know when he extends that to 14 deg.

So yes I think with his unorthodox action he could easily mask a throw if he allready has'nt.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Craig said:
Plus WG Grace and Warwick Armstrong.
cooked, not raw. Inzy only eats other cricketers if they have been charbroiled or at least sauteed in a white wine sauce, like fish.

There but for Grace or cod go I.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Scallywag said:
So yes I think with his unorthodox action he could easily mask a throw if he allready has'nt.

Except his action is under current legislation legal, so what is there to mask?
 

Slow Love™

International Captain
marc71178 said:
Except his action is under current legislation legal, so what is there to mask?
Marc, have you been drinking tonight? Surely if Scallywag is referring to a 14 degree straightening, he's referring to the doosra, and the recent tests on it. So what on earth are you talking about? That delivery IS illegal.
 

twctopcat

International Regular
As far as i can see because of Murali's deformity's the ICC have not strictly applied the usual rules concerning degree of flexibility, because Murali isn't for all purposes normal. Humans are not robots and are not identical which is why the ICC are being flexible until they look at other spinners' doosra's and try to interpret whether Murali's abnormality can account for the degree of flex.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Slow Love™ said:
Marc, have you been drinking tonight? Surely if Scallywag is referring to a 14 degree straightening, he's referring to the doosra, and the recent tests on it. So what on earth are you talking about? That delivery IS illegal.
He's talking about the whole action, not just the doosra, and the rest of his deliveries have been cleared.
 

chicane

State Captain
twctopcat said:
As far as i can see because of Murali's deformity's the ICC have not strictly applied the usual rules concerning degree of flexibility, because Murali isn't for all purposes normal. Humans are not robots and are not identical which is why the ICC are being flexible until they look at other spinners' doosra's and try to interpret whether Murali's abnormality can account for the degree of flex.
Absolutely. Most guys who chuck can easily straighten back their arm when told, but Murali is different. He's unique in international cricket. There has to be some flexibility in the rules and furhter research needs to be done on his bowling in intense match conditions, where to get a wicket he'd give it that extra bit.
 

PY

International Coach
But should he be allowed to bowl the doosra until this research is done?

$64,000 question methinks.
 

chicane

State Captain
PY said:
But should he be allowed to bowl the doosra until this research is done?

$64,000 question methinks.
Yes. Because he's an amazing bowler who's on the verge of making history and the banning the doosra without being certain will unfairly handicap him.
Can't just sweep all this under the carpet and ban the doosra.
 

DT8

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Well I don't think its fair to ban the doosra when an ICC approved biomechanic says its not cheating.
 

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