Murali to be Australia spin coach

[Ikki]

Haha, good point.

 

[BoyBrumby]

1000 outs is not that much. It's difficult to say 'most' - the average pitcher doesn't stay in the professional leagues all that long.

If you mean the average decent pitcher, it's a lot lot more than a 1000.

For reference (this is the top 1000 all time out leaders):
Outs All Time Leaders on Baseball Almanac

Don't think that list is solely pitcher's outs as it has Hank Aaron at #2 and he was a slugger, wasn't he? It was his home run record Bonds beat.

 

[Jacknife]

Don't think that list is solely pitcher's outs as it has Hank Aaron at #2 and he was a slugger, wasn't he? It was his home run record Bonds beat.

Yes, there all hitters, with guys like Pete Rose, who holds loads of hitting records, such as, most hits and games played and Cal Ripken Jr, who has the most consecutive games played, 2,632, which is almost superhuman.

 

[Quaggas]

Don't think that list is solely pitcher's outs as it has Hank Aaron at #2 and he was a slugger, wasn't he? It was his home run record Bonds beat.

Yup. Rose, for example, was mainly a book maker. Those are mostly ground outs (he also played 1-3B in between his day job).

 

[Quaggas]

Seems like quite a bit. Know next to nothing about Baseball. Whats the total number of outs possible in a single game?

Infinite. A game's 9 innings/team, each for 3 outs, so the standard is 27. However, innings get added until there is a winner.

 

[NZTailender]

Yup. Rose, for example, was mainly a book maker. Those are mostly ground outs (he also played 1-3B in between his day job).

Heard he also used to go into second base head first.

 

[JBH001]

Well no, but being proficient at what he's been hired to coach is his main (only?) qualification for the position. As he's pretty much unable to impart that to anyone else without his natural gifts I'm not sure his hiring is necessarily cause for Aussies to deck their halls with bunting.

It's not often that I agree with BB when it comes to Murali, but I think he is right about this one.

Congratulations to Murali and all that, but I think the cause of Australian spin bowling would have been better served by hiring someone else. One name that comes to mind is Yardley who has done a fair bit of spin bowling coaching around the world (and incidentally coached Murali in the late 80s and early 90s). Still, that said, I hope Murali does a great job and has a positive influence on young Australian spinners; in any case, spinners tend to like helping other spinners and I'm sure Murali will give of his best.

 

[ankitj]

It's always good for the game if great cricketers give something back to the younger generation. Even if the skills are not transferable, spending some time in company of such legends can be a huge inspiration and motivation for young cricketers.

 

[Turbinator]

We get it. Very original.

This is not the thread for this, please keep the chucking comments out of it. There is another thread you can post on if you want to discuss Murali's action.

Well every thread with his name has the same "jokes", and I really don't feel the need to derail this thread. Again, if you want to discuss the throwing incident, please post in the other thread.

Good call, I completely agree. If this thread was to derail, we might as well have chucked it in the garbage.

 

[pskov]

1000 outs is not that much. It's difficult to say 'most' - the average pitcher doesn't stay in the professional leagues all that long.

If you mean the average decent pitcher, it's a lot lot more than a 1000.

For reference (this is the top 1000 all time out leaders):
Outs All Time Leaders on Baseball Almanac

That's a list of how many times a batter got out in their career.

For pitchers a list of outs is pretty simply just number of innings pitched x 3, as baseball only advances in time when batters get out. The record for innings pitched is Cy Young with 7,356 or 22,068 batters out. To be considered a good pitcher you usually have to have pitched around 3,000 innings in a career minimum (unless you were exceptionally good for a short period of time). Starting pitchers these days generally throw 200-220 innings a season.

 

[vic_orthdox]

If it's a part time role, or a visiting session, then I think it's fantastic. I'd imagine that's what it is to be.

 

[archie mac]

And most of it is quality.. Congrats mate..

Thanks mate

I won't ask you which ones were not quality

 

[howardj]

If anything, we've had some skilled operators nerfed by some supposedly expert coaches.

Need to work on getting them decent game time ahead of specialist coaching, tbh. There are decent spinners around, they're just not getting on the park often enough and when they do, asked to do a job which won't get them wickets.

Jesus Christ man, that's a good post.

So damn true. Spinners in Australia need game time, need some patience from captains, and need to know that they're not playing for their spot in every single game - they need to feel good about taking 3 for 60 off 11 overs.

Game time.

 

[Spark]

If they're not feeling good about 3 for 60 off 11 then there's a real problem - that's a decent return for any bowler.

What they need to work on is their reaction to the 2/3 for 100 off 35 overs

 

[Nate]

Yes NZT.

 

[pup11]

First of all great of Murali to do this after all the ridicule he has had to face in Australia becuase of some idiots, but I wonder what exactly is he gonna teach young Aussie spinners?

The self-proclaimed Aussie ''spin coaches'' refuse to get off their high horses and move on with the changing times, for example they still have a taboo over the doosra and hence they stop any aspiring Aussie spinner from bowling it.

They expect pretty much every finger spinner or wrist spinner to follow the coaching manual word by word and there is clear case of individual talent not being respected.

The likes of Warne, Murali, Swann,Kumble, Harbhajan, Saqlain are all superb spinners but if you notice one thing, none of them are exactly the classic type of orthodox spin bowlers, they each have their own style of bowling which is hard to replicate or emulate and that's what really makes them so good.

Calling in Murali is great, but if you aren't really going to implement any of his ideas then I don't see much point in this whole exercise.

 

[Ikki]

The thing is Murali is not just a great...apart from Warne you have to go back decades to get spinners anywhere near his talent. He is so far ahead of the curve that he's bound to teach something most spinners simply couldn't dream of understanding without his input.

 

[BoyBrumby]

First of all great of Murali to do this after all the ridicule he has had to face in Australia becuase of some idiots, but I wonder what exactly is he gonna teach young Aussie spinners?

The self-proclaimed Aussie ''spin coaches'' refuse to get off their high horses and move on with the changing times, for example they still have a taboo over the doosra and hence they stop any aspiring Aussie spinner from bowling it.

They expect pretty much every finger spinner or wrist spinner to follow the coaching manual word by word and there is clear case of individual talent not being respected.

The likes of Warne, Murali, Swann,Kumble, Harbhajan, Saqlain are all superb spinners but if you notice one thing, none of them are exactly the classic type of orthodox spin bowlers, they each have their own style of bowling which is hard to replicate or emulate and that's what really makes them so good.

Calling in Murali is great, but if you aren't really going to implement any of his ideas then I don't see much point in this whole exercise.

Swann's very orthodox. Probably bowls a more attacking line that is currently vogue for offies, but his action is an archetype of textbook rectitude.

 

[pup11]

Swann's very orthodox. Probably bowls a more attacking line that is currently vogue for offies, but his action is an archetype of textbook rectitude.

Not many finger spinners around the world can bowl at his trajectory and pace and yet spin the ball big like he does, think that's something that sets him apart from the rest.

 

[cnerd123]

Swann uses an unorthodox grip along with big hands. Unique in that sense. Otherwise yea, his action is pretty much following what an offie should do.


Vettori has a very orthodox action too. Randiv and Ashwin as well...