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Murali bowling with a astraight arm

Legglancer

State Regular
Langeveldt said:
Dont really care any more if Murali has been chucking or not...

The fact is in Zimbabwe he was told to stop bowling his doosra, and on numerous occasions he continued to do so

In my eyes, this makes him an arrogant little cheat.. At the moment I don't hold any cricketer in a lower regard, especially after his whiny little excuses for not touring Australia.. Sportsmen are heckled everywhere, and it's not like Cairns and Darwin have tens of thousands watching... Still he has got his 500 odd wickets, so he is happy at least... Disgusting..[/QUOTE

Sadly this sort of ill informed rant, sanse much substance is a reflection of the lack of understanding and tolerance these days. However much evidence and data may say otherwise people can still choose to be obtuse and obdurate.

I would like to mention that however much sportsmen are heckled I hope I never witness another cricketer or any other human being degraded, racially abused snd villified (even when he got injured) like murali.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
marc71178 said:
He bowled it before the instruction to not bowl it came into place (even though it had been announced)

He cannot be faulted from a professional point of view for that, even if in true sporting terms he has gone a little against the grain.
Well provided he doesn't bowl it without working remedially on it from now on then in that case I can forgive him.
 

Langeveldt

Soutie
Legglancer said:
However much evidence and data may say otherwise people can still choose to be obtuse and obdurate.
Yet the ICC.. Yes! the ICC told him not to bowl his doosra??

The word of the head governing body of world cricket is enough evidence for me to be as obtuse and obdurate as i want...

I admit i have no real argument when it comes to ranting about his stock ball. Because it has been cleared... But his doosra was another matter in Zimbabwe.. which Murali in his infinate wisdom chose to completely ignore..

EDIT:: Just read that Murali wasnt informed of the ban on his doosra while he was bowling it!! Well Im willing to eat my words then... However i find it absolutely astonishing that we know what Murali is allowed to do before Murali does.. Well done ICC.. again!:blink:
 
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dude

School Boy/Girl Captain
bro, did you read up on murali's response? the article where he states that the ICC never mentioned anything to him and his highest authority, The sri lankan cricket board had not mentioned nothing to him either. noone had asked him to stop bowling directly, he was not given a direct order from his highest authority(sri lankan cricket board) or the ICC. The press/media writes alot of things, but in murali's own words he replied saying that noone told him anything. look it up.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Erm, isn't that what Langeveldt has just said he's only just found out?

I must admit I wasn't aware of it at that stage.

It's still a bit of a thin argument seeing as it was all over the Cricketing press though.
 

Langeveldt

Soutie
marc71178 said:
Erm, isn't that what Langeveldt has just said he's only just found out?

I must admit I wasn't aware of it at that stage.

It's still a bit of a thin argument seeing as it was all over the Cricketing press though.
Its just made the ICC seem like an even more incompetent bunch of fuddy-duddys..

But they were so appaling beforehand, nobody seemed to notice...
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
dude said:
bro, did you read up on murali's response? the article where he states that the ICC never mentioned anything to him and his highest authority, The sri lankan cricket board had not mentioned nothing to him either. noone had asked him to stop bowling directly, he was not given a direct order from his highest authority(sri lankan cricket board) or the ICC. The press/media writes alot of things, but in murali's own words he replied saying that noone told him anything. look it up.
but is that the truth? the sri lankans really will do anything to keep murali in the team, they need him like le needs sarcasm.
 

dude

School Boy/Girl Captain
Nnanden said:
but is that the truth? the sri lankans really will do anything to keep murali in the team, they need him like le needs sarcasm.
noone asked the Sri lankan cricket board to kick murali out of the team. The question was why was murali continuing to bowl his doosra when the ICC asked him not to. When murali was interviewed one on one regarding this, he stated the press/media has mentioned the ICC wanted him to stop bowling the doosra but noone had dirctly ordered him to do so(stop bowling it).
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
And you think he was going to say anything other than that?!

He's hardly going to say "Yes they told me not to bowl it, but I continued to bowl it" is he?
 

dude

School Boy/Girl Captain
marc71178 said:
And you think he was going to say anything other than that?!

He's hardly going to say "Yes they told me not to bowl it, but I continued to bowl it" is he?
well bro, if you notice how honestly he's graced everything that's come his way (ie: he took all those test in western australia by his own choice?? noone forced him to do so), you would think this man speaks the truth each time he's grilled about this matter?

if you think rationally, if the ICC threatened to ban him if he continues bowling his doosra why would he risk his future in cricket by continuing to bowl it against Zimbabwe??? he stopped bowling the delivery before he broke the world record, so that squishes the arguement he was trying to break the record etc..etc.. so therefore it's very evident (conspiracy theories aside) that there was some form of communication problem. i could hardly call that cheating..
 

Scallywag

Banned
dude said:
well bro, if you notice how honestly he's graced everything that's come his way (ie: he took all those test in western australia by his own choice?? noone forced him to do so), you would think this man speaks the truth each time he's grilled about this matter?
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Murali was reported for his action and had to prove it was OK, he was forced to undergo the tests in Perth as the only alternative was to ignore the ICC. Murali refused to aknowlege he had a problem with his action before that and the only way for him to aknowlege this was to force him to be tested.
 

dude

School Boy/Girl Captain
just to let you know murali does not have a problem with his action, some parts had a problem accepting his action. with the deformity he has thats the only way he can bowl, and the last i heard un-orthodoxy wasn't deemed a problem.
 

dude

School Boy/Girl Captain
marc71178 said:
What was the testing then?
The testing my friend is the ICC requirement these days when a bowler is reported, since mr chris broad reported the doosra to the icc as being suspicious, the test have turned out that the delivery goes beyond the "ICC approved limit", furthermore the ICC allows fast bowlers a limit of 15 degrees, so the question came out, "where/what have the ICC done to come up with these suitable requirement levels?" the likes of akthar and brett lee bowl with a 15 degree jerk. therefore the ICC will review their current tolerance levels in a meeting in sept/oct.

read this

"In these pages last week, Charles Randall explained his first hand experience of batting against Murali, who bowled to him while wearing a brace. The conclusion was that the off-spinner and the doosra - which loosely translated means 'the other one' and is the ball which has caused the recent storm - were - "legal to a widely accepted norm". Fascinating, indeed, but barely believable to anyone who has watched him play competitively.

Watch him and you reckon he chucks, simple as that. To some, this is not a problem because the batsman is not physically threatened and, anyway, the game needs his magic, they say. Once again, to others, some of whom are driven by jealousy, he is the most extreme example of cricket's worst disease.

Earlier this week we made a film with him that will be shown on Channel 4, alongside various analysis and debate, during the Friday of the Lord's Test which starts on July 22. Hopefully, we go a fair way to explaining the illusion that suggests his action is not legal.

Here is Law 24.3: "A ball is fairly delivered . . . if, once the bowler's arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing, the elbow joint is not straightened partially or completely from that point until the ball has left the hand."

The first thing that strikes one about Murali is that his arms do not hang in the normal manner, there is a clear bend of about 30 degrees from the elbow that leads to the opening of his shoulders and hands in his stance. This is a deformity from birth and allows him to rotate his shoulders in a way I have not previously seen. The spin he imparts on the ball, either with the seam upright or vertical, comes as much from the use of his wrist as from his fingers."

from > Muttiah Muralitharan has a case and he should be heard. Mark Nicholas watches him bowl in an arm brace to prove he does not chuck (July 7)
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Waughney said:
Which experts have said is based on no evidence what so ever.
Which experts are these that have said this legislation is based on no evidence whatsoever?
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Scallywag said:
Murali was reported for his action and had to prove it was OK, he was forced to undergo the tests in Perth as the only alternative was to ignore the ICC. Murali refused to aknowlege he had a problem with his action before that and the only way for him to aknowlege this was to force him to be tested.
The fact is, no-one knew there was a problem with the wrong-'un. It was just guesswork on Chris Broad's part and straw-clutching from the anti-Murali brigade. Murali obeyed when asked for the wrong-'un to be tested and obeyed when officially told to stop bowling it.
All he needs to do now is remedial it so that the wrong-'un is every bit as legal as the stock-ball.
 

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