Most underrated and overrated players in the world?

[marc71178]

No, but AFTER WC99 his OVERALL economy-rate was precisely what I said it was.

GI Allott after WC 1999:

http://statserver.cricket.org/guru?...edhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewtype

Looks to be a tad over what you've said it was.

 

[marc71178]

No, they're not - any batsman can adjust (especially when the ball is short) if the ball moves a mere 2 inches.

A mere 2 inches (!)

If you deem 2 inches to be a small amount of movement you're being about as stupid as you are in saying anything over 4.5 an over is bad in an ODI.

 

[marc71178]

My standards aren't based on averages.

I for one would like to know what they are based on - certainly nothing logical.

 

[marc71178]

What do ODIs matter?

Because his Test record alone is shocking isn't it (!)

 

[marc71178]

Well I might try, sometime. It'd take quite a while, though - that's 155 wickets I've got to summarise.

And how will you do that, by reading bits and bobs?

 

[marc71178]

Whatever, doesn't matter - McGrath has still bowled the same, and he's still supposedly created the same pressure.

There's no supposedly about it.

 

[Blaze]

A mere 2 inches (!)

If you deem 2 inches to be a small amount of movement you're being about as stupid as you are in saying anything over 4.5 an over is bad in an ODI.

4.5 an over is probably the average RPO for a good bowler. I think anything under 4.5 an over and you are looking at a great ODI bowler.

 

[marc71178]

I can assure you that you need to bowl a hell of a lot faster and a hell of a lot fuller than typial McGrath to be able to take an uncontrolled edge by moving it half a bat's width. One whole bat is the very, very least a typical McGrath-length-speed ball will have to move - and it's incredibly difficult to seam it that much on a non-seaming pitch.

So please explain how McGrath is so successful?

And while you're at it, Pollock is a similar style bowler (who also incidentally is very successful)

I assume they must both be anomalies?

 

[marc71178]

Someone buy Richard a ticket to a game.

I was hoping for a 1 way ticket to the Moon...

 

[marc71178]

4.5 an over is probably the average RPO for a good bowler. I think anything under 4.5 an over and you are looking at a great ODI bowler.

No, in Richard's world, 4.5 is a fairly poor ODI bowler.

Apparently any more than that and the bowler is useless, even though the conditions for modern day ODI's mean most games are well in excess of 5 an over.

Added to that he thinks that that number hasn't changed in 20 years, thus meaning that Vic Marks is a better ODI bowler than Shane Warne...

 

[Blaze]

No, in Richard's world, 4.5 is a fairly poor ODI bowler.

Apparently any more than that and the bowler is useless, even though the conditions for modern day ODI's mean most games are well in excess of 5 an over.

Added to that he thinks that that number hasn't changed in 20 years, thus meaning that Vic Marks is a better ODI bowler than Shane Warne...

Haha he is dilluded if he thinks that things havent changed in ODI's. For starters technology has meant that better bats are used these days which makes the ball go further. Secondly the introduction of boundary ropes to bring in the size of the boundaries has meant more fours and particually more sixes being scored. Add to that the fact that over time everyone has had a chance to learn more and more about how to play the game and sort tactics out whereas in the early days there was not much innovation with the bat and lower socres were scored by teams as a result of most batting sides being very conservetive. Also the decks that they play ODI's on these days are probably flatter than ever which the majoruity of the time equates to more runs being scored.

 

[Son Of Coco]

So please explain how McGrath is so successful?

And while you're at it, Pollock is a similar style bowler (who also incidentally is very successful)

I assume they must both be anomalies?

In a world with no colour, where everything's either black or white there's apparently no other explanation than luck to account for both of these players.

 

[Blaze]

I was hoping for a 1 way ticket to the Moon...

LOL!!! I feel that Richard grows on people over time.. but then again so does cancer

 

[Son Of Coco]

LOL!!! I feel that Richard grows on people over time.. but then again so does cancer

That reaches a peak though, and then it's all downhill from there! haha

 

[social]

I was hoping for a 1 way ticket to the Moon...

Sorry, judging by his posts, he already speaking from a different planet.

 

[SJS]

To take one/two from each of the major test playing nations :-

Under-rated :-

India : Kaif and Balaji
Australia : McGill
England : Giles
West Indies : Browne
New Zealand : Chris Harris
South Africa : Pollock
Pakistan : Shoaib Malik & Azhar Mehmood
Sri Lanka : Utpal Chandana & Zoysa

Over-rated

India : Yuvraj
Australia : Lehmann & Symonds
England : Robert Key
West Indies : Ricardo Powell & Dillon
New Zealand : Vettori
South Africa : Cant think of anyone
Pakistan : Afridi and Sami
Sri Lanka : Kaluwitharna

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Zoysa

Definately agree. He's a quality bowler that gets no recognition at all.

Dillon
Kaluwitharna

Does anyone actually rate these two? I suppose Kalu had a big impact on cricket back in the mid 90s because he formed the pinch-hitting opening pair with Jayasuria and had a hand in changing ODI tactics, but I didn't realise anyone actually thought he was a good batsman. And Dillon is mediocre and always has been.

 

[Richard]

Sorry Richard, but you're wrong. They're two terms applied to the same thing. You can bowl an off-cutter by turning the seam in a bit and then landing it on it or you can run your fingers down the ball - the difference being the latter is much easier to pick but more likely to do exactly what you intend. The same goes for a ball moving away from the right hander. A ball that hits the wicket and moves in to the batsman is called an 'off-cutter' and is referred to as this whether you've run your fingers down the seam or simply landed the ball on it. McGrath bowls a lot of off-cutters, yet I think you'll find that he rarely drags his fingers down one side of the ball. It has to do with seam position and angle.

You clearly have a different definition to me on cutters.

Why would the batsman be attempting to play inside the line and how does this have nothing to do with McGrath?

You have not noticed how often batsmen play inside the line? It's a leave.
How does it have anything to do with McGrath, sorry?

 

[Richard]

Ahha, so McGrath with his extra bounce combined with the movement he gets is good then?

If he gets movement, yes - on pitches that don't move off the seam, he doesn't.

 

[Son Of Coco]

If he gets movement, yes - on pitches that don't move off the seam, he doesn't.

But yet he often still takes wickets, weird isn't it? Not to me, but I'm sure it would be to you.