More friendlies using the WCC Sim

[Cloete]

It was general view in the overskilled thread sometime back tht the youth were far too good.If the old pros dominate then it was meant to be tht way.I mean how many times have we seen tendulkar being outscored ina season by a debutant??
I think this way it seems far more real.Last season NSW had a pack of rl stars in their team but they got relegated.Doesnt really sound good does it? If you had Bevan,Kallis,Lara,Cairns all playing for u in rl wud u imagine getting relegated in a real life league?
I think this just adds up to the realism.Yes ppl mite have to take a different stand in trades now but I think its good 4 the game over all.

Sriram

yeah but then what happnes if:

say we get along a alot of seasons. and tehre aint many of the rl players left. then every1 would be crap. because youths play crap in their 1st few seasons. so say if that happens then their averages drop. then by the time they get experienced their averages r really bad. that'd just keep going in a cycle. i think age is right here. u should tone it down a bit. also u gotta give rookies a chance to be good. sure maybe have the odds a bit against them(not hugely as it is now) as you can;t say experienced people are always better. at the moment it's basically exactly that.

 

[marc71178]

also instead of replacing rookies next season why dont we do a CM and regen them - randomly ofcousre to all of the teams that had retirements - this might stop or slow any future overskill

Erm, we did this this season, regenerated players to replace those retiring...

 

[marc71178]

Upon seeing these can I voice my concern at some of the results.
I think the whole idea of being experienced means you score more runs is stupid, Michael Clarke is probably a better batter than Mark Waugh, yet in this sim Mark WAugh would probably avg like 30 more if he were still playing.
I think we should stay with VC 4, or change the idea a little with how if u're more experienced you get more runs.

There's always one!!

:rolleyes:

One minute the youth score too many, the next the old people do!

Mark Waugh is in all likelihood a better batsman because of his experience, and I'd back him to outscore Clarke any day.

 

[Eclipse]

yeah but then what happnes if:

say we get along a alot of seasons. and tehre aint many of the rl players left. then every1 would be crap. because youths play crap in their 1st few seasons. so say if that happens then their averages drop. then by the time they get experienced their averages r really bad. that'd just keep going in a cycle. i think age is right here. u should tone it down a bit. also u gotta give rookies a chance to be good. sure maybe have the odds a bit against them(not hugely as it is now) as you can;t say experienced people are always better. at the moment it's basically exactly that.

I have to say I agree.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

So do I.

 

[Sriram k]

yeah but then what happnes if:

say we get along a alot of seasons. and tehre aint many of the rl players left. then every1 would be crap. because youths play crap in their 1st few seasons. so say if that happens then their averages drop. then by the time they get experienced their averages r really bad. that'd just keep going in a cycle. i think age is right here. u should tone it down a bit. also u gotta give rookies a chance to be good. sure maybe have the odds a bit against them(not hugely as it is now) as you can;t say experienced people are always better. at the moment it's basically exactly that.

Not that all players would later be bad.See If the avgs of youth drop a little they would get stabilised to some value.
The main problem here is what u term as 'good'.Because of the generation of these overskilled youth players the term 'good' now refers to sub 40 bowlers which shouldnt really be the case.
B Lees avg of 44 shud infact be called awesome and if get a bowler in the low 50s he shud be called good.And I can assure you there will be plenty in the 45-52 range in a few seasons from now when all the rl players retire.


Sriram

 

[Rich2001]

I have to agree with the guys saying it's a bit unrelistic, and that overall it can lead to a glut of poor players as a result.

I think that someone touched on it but I also agree that not all rookies should be punished becasue they are young and inexperianced, I think there are always a few expections to the rule.. I mean EVERY single current player must have been a damn good youngster to even make it in the game.. I admit the older guys would have a slight advantage in say paceing a reply in a One Dayer, but it wouldn't take that many games for a younger player to experiance a few different situation.

Iam also slighty concerned by the 4th innings of the games, I felt far to many as with VC4 were bowling sides out for 100 - 175 regardless of the quality of the opposition. I know alot of the time low scores occur in the 4th inngs due to the pressure and pitch conditions, but I was getting a feeling of you needed 200+ to win and you might as well go home.

I've gone through every scorecard and heres a summary for you all

4th Inngs Scores

100 Runs Or Less = 5
101 - 150 Runs = 14
151 - 200 Runs = 14
200 - 250 Runs = 7
250 Or More Runs = 3

NOTE: One inngs (101 - 150) both sides score 450+ in first inngs, 2nd inngs both only just got over 100)


Incomplete 4th Inngs - Score at close - Only 5+ wickets down at close counted

100 Or Less = 6
101 - 150 = 5
151 - 200 = 7
200 - 250 = 6
250 Or More = 4


Other Noticeable facts


Inngs Wins = 15

Rain Effected Matches (not these are only big losses) = 19


So basically the moral of my story is bat first, and make sure the game is played in the hot countries where rain is rare :saint:

 

[Sriram k]

Now thts what I call a good post!

Hmm....its not tht all the youth played crap...A couple of players in the academy and some in the divisional teams did pretty well....I mean the problem is the outlook....See if Darden avgs 42 in all the games ppl say how very poor! I think its fair enuff for him an avg of 42 in 12 inns isnt a reflection of poor performance in rl.I can assure you there will be no glut of poor players and good players will be left behind.It cud also be the luck of the draw tht the youth performed so poorly. GB has tested it extensively I think and he says its just about ok.

Now to the other point....This was precisely the reason why I hurried up with the sim things like these cud be pointed out and adjusted before we start up with the season...Theres still much time to go before the new season.The 4th inns thing cud be adjusted easily and the rain thing was 1 I myself felt was affecting a bit too much.But again it depends on whts weather factor 4 the ground.These could be adjusted so tht there is less rain and the 4th inns totals are in the 150 - 300 range instead of the present 100-250


Sriram

 

[Sriram k]

question: I was looking at T.Rowells stats. In the one dayers it says that he averages 47, when the rookies file said his average was 49. Whats going on here?

Rookies stats have been adjusted after the rookie rounds.

Sriram

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

As Rich said, there has to be exceptions to the experience rule. For instance, Sachin Tendulkar scored 5 Test centuries before the age of 20, including 3 at the age of 18. He was young, he was inexperienced but he still scored runs.

 

[marc71178]

But surely it's a starting point, and it's better than VB4 - the other great thing we have is that it is unique to our game, and can hopefully be moulded to suit our wants!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

But surely it's a starting point, and it's better than VB4

Virtual Bricket?

 

[marc71178]

Virtual Bricket?

I've got VB on the brain - just had to reorder after SI drank the bar dry last night... :P

 

[age_master]

Erm, we did this this season, regenerated players to replace those retiring...

im talking about using the players that retired's stats for the rookies, and redistributing them randomly, so the skill level stays about the same

 

[marc71178]

im talking about using the players that retired's stats for the rookies, and redistributing them randomly, so the skill level stays about the same

At the end of the day I can't see there'd be too much difference between the stats anyway since it's all random.

We do need a bit of variety anyway, and don't have the volumes of players retiring each season to adopt a CM method really.

 

[nibbs]

Rookies stats have been adjusted after the rookie rounds.

Sriram

has the one day series of the academy been completed as well?

 

[Eclipse]

I also noticed the rate of boundrys was not quite high enough to be totaly realistic to real life.

That's not a big problem if it cant be fixed but seeing players with 150s and only 8x4 looks a little suss.

On avrage a player will have about 14-16 x4 in a 100 runs witch is well above the current rate of the sim.

 

[The Argonaut]

has the one day series of the academy been completed as well?

The one day series has been completed and the updated stats sent to Sriram. I hope to have the last 4 rounds up this week.

 

[The Argonaut]

The scorecards look fine. I can't complain. I've won more games in this format than vc4 this season. The batting stats are low for my players but the bowling is much better.

Rich has made some good points already and I hope these are taken into account if modifications to the sim are made.

I would like to add my comment to the age debate. Everyone is talking about Tendulkar when discussing the merits of good stats for youngsters. He is a freak and this sim I imagine would also allow for a freak result for some youngsters as well. It all the adds to teh luck involved in selecting youth.

On the other hand if it's possible to allow for the older players (older than 33) to lose touch as well that would be good. Older batsmen can lose reflexes and older bowlers lose pace. It would not need to be as dramatic as for inexperience and youth. If it's too much of a problem then don't worry about it.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

On avrage a player will have about 14-16 x4 in a 100 runs witch is well above the current rate of the sim.

That must be the Australian rate. :P

Us mortals generally only score 10-12 fours in a 100.