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Moles Resigns; NZ Coaching Situation

straw man

straw man

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Am surprised that Rixon is interested tbh, but must be good news as he seems to be well regarded. The team is in a similar situation to when he last started coaching - but replacing Fleming with Vettori.
 
straw man

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
Howsie said:
Yea it's his List A record. As for some of your points. I don't think McGlashan has been left out for Watling, I just think the selectors didn't feel the need to pick a second specialsit keeper when they have someone like Watling who can do a decent job if needed for a game or two. If McCullum was injured we would of seen Hopkins or McGlashan picked for sure.
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Agree - the fact it's a short tour probably had something to do with it.

Howsie said:
As for dropping McCullum and sending him back to domestic cricket, my thinking behind that idea isn't just for him to get some form behind him, it's to show him he isn't immune to being dropped and that his recent performances with the bat aren't good enough. Yes he probably knows this, but I'm guessing he also knows that New Zealand doesn't exactly have the greatest depth with wicket-keepers, and that he might be able to get away with bad form longer then other player's in the team.
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Don't generally agree with dropping someone to teach them a lesson. And as far as teaching McCullum a lesson goes, batting him down at 7 and removing the vice-captaincy would more than do the trick. Players with big egos (if McCullum is that) need closer management to get the best results, not just people trying to crush their ego.

Howsie said:
I don't want McCullum dropped yet, but if he doesn't perform against Pakistan in the ODI's or test matches I hope the selectors give someone else a very, very good look at.
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Perhaps - myself would give him until the end of the Australia series at least, and only if he's been awful then think about bringing in someone else.

:)
 
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Meridio

Meridio

International Regular
straw man said:
I confess I didn't know that McGlashan had been performing quite that well. I'm assuming that's domestic List A?

I still don't think that warrants replacing McCullum with him though. Not yet at least. For McGlashan to become the first choice wicketkeeper I think this would need to happen.
- McGlashan is included in the ODI squads as backup. Obv should have been for CT instead of Hopkins. But has now been left out for Watling for Pakistan.
- Needs to continue to score runs for NZ whenever he gets a chance. Needs to keep scoring runs domestically. He's already been doing this, so needs to keep it up. But I have a feeling he might struggle to maintain a record quite as good as the last three years.
- McCullum needs to stop scoring runs. McCullum's run-scoring with the bat in ODIs in the last year or two does not warrant dropping him. Furthermore I want to see how McCullum goes now that Moles is gone - hopefully his approach changes.

If McCullum went through a run-scoring rut like Oram has, then it would be time to think about dropping him. Even though I doubt domestic cricket would do him much good. NZ has a record of discarding or annoying senior players far too early and suffers for it. Look at the clamouring for Styris to be back in the team now - It wasn't long ago most were saying he should be dropped, and there's no way Styris or the Black Caps have benefitted from his extended spell out of the team.

So IMO the benefit of the doubt should sit clearly on McCullum's side until the case for replacing him is overwhelming.
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Would add to your list that he needs to be a much better keeper. That Champions Trophy howler aside, McCullum's keeping is far better than what McGlashan's is.
 
Hurricane

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
NZC lukewarm to Wright - cricket - sport | Stuff.co.nz

I don't agree with Vettori's judgement that Wright wouldn't make a good head coach. Vettori also believes that his expertise would mainly benefit the left handed top order players. I am sure that John Wright is capable of coaching Guptil and company as well.

There must be some personality issue at play here that is preventing the obvious appointment from going through. I read John Wright's book on coaching India and to a fan it looks like he is an excellent coach.
I am disappointed with this news.
 
vic_orthdox

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
ESPN said:
New Zealand's captain and de-facto coach Daniel Vettori believes former captain Stephen Fleming would make a 'wonderful' coach of the team.

Vettori is going to lead the team to the United Arab Emitrates for a one-day and Twenty20 series agiainst Pakistan.

The left-arm spinner told the Sunday Star-Times that he was happy to continue as player-coach for the next couple of months, including the home-series against Pakistan next month, but after that he would prefer to see someone coming into the role.

This follows the decision of Andy Moles to step down as the coach after a review process found him ill-equipped to handle this assignment.

"Stephen and I keep in regular touch and he has been quite a quite a big help in going through all this stuff and some other things that have gone on," Vettori told the newspaper.

"He has concerns about my workload and he wants to be a sounding board and do anything he can to help."

"He's definitely got coach written all over him and he could be an extremely successful one. It's just whether he wants to get back into that life of touring the world. He would make a wonderful coach."

However, New Zealand Cricket chief executive, Justin Vaughan, said," I don't think this is the right time," the newspaper quoted him saying.

The team manager Dave Curie will have his leadership responsiblities upgraded to help Vettori for now while the current assistant coach Mark O'Donnell will remain with the team, the report said.
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Flem274*

Flem274*

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Haha, you go away for three days and look what happens.

This was always going to be on the cards. NZC saw with their last unpopular coach what happens when you don't listen to your senior players.

Agree with Athlai and Straw Man (hoping I have my poster right here, sorry Straws :p) on McCullum. McGlashan's a decent slogger/stroke inventor, but thats it and he's not the flashest keeper in the domestic competition. Thats why Hopkins is the test reserve.

McCullum may be unable to bat atm, but he can still catch and ironically, that seems to be a fairly underrated aspect of the wicket keeping job these days (lol England). McCullum is by far the best gloveman in the country, therefore he plays. When picking keepers, catching>>>>>>>batting. Batting is for the batsmen to do.

I do agree with his stripping of the vice captaincy though. He's not crash hot at the captaincy thing and needs to be reminded to keep his head a bit closer to earth.

Rixon imo would make a good coach. Someone who can keep Ryder and McCullum under control and bring the best out of the newer players. Remember the transformations Cairns and Parore made under that regime? He'd do the two some good imo, as well as inspiring confidence in certain players (cough Franklin cough) and keeping the development of the other players running nicely.

Fleming would be awesome though. :D
 
Howsie

Howsie

International Captain
Flem274* said:
Haha, you go away for three days and look what happens.

This was always going to be on the cards. NZC saw with their last unpopular coach what happens when you don't listen to your senior players.

Agree with Athlai and Straw Man (hoping I have my poster right here, sorry Straws :p) on McCullum. McGlashan's a decent slogger/stroke inventor, but thats it and he's not the flashest keeper in the domestic competition. Thats why Hopkins is the test reserve.

McCullum may be unable to bat atm, but he can still catch and ironically, that seems to be a fairly underrated aspect of the wicket keeping job these days (lol England). McCullum is by far the best gloveman in the country, therefore he plays. When picking keepers, catching>>>>>>>batting. Batting is for the batsmen to do.

I do agree with his stripping of the vice captaincy though. He's not crash hot at the captaincy thing and needs to be reminded to keep his head a bit closer to earth.

Rixon imo would make a good coach. Someone who can keep Ryder and McCullum under control and bring the best out of the newer players. Remember the transformations Cairns and Parore made under that regime? He'd do the two some good imo, as well as inspiring confidence in certain players (cough Franklin cough) and keeping the development of the other players running nicely.

Fleming would be awesome though. :D
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Huh :unsure:

McGlahsan has always been a pretty poor FC batsmen, his game is not suited for it at all. There's nothing wrong with his keeping, it's nowhere near as bad as some people make it out to be. Hopkins and Young are infront of McGlashan because he's never performed in FC cricket (with the bat).

McGlashan's List A stats for the last three years are probably good enough to get him in the team as a batsmen alone, and the gulf between he and McCullum in one day cricket is minimal, he's such a good player coming in at 6-7 (he showed what he could do against India).
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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McCullum is still the better gloveman though and thats no insult to McGlashan. I'd say that only P Jayawardene rivals McCullum as a gloveman in the world.
 
D

DIRK-NANNES

U19 Vice-Captain
Flem274* said:
Thats why Hopkins is the test reserve.

McCullum may be unable to bat atm, but he can still catch and ironically, that seems to be a fairly underrated aspect of the wicket keeping job these days (lol England). McCullum is by far the best gloveman in the country, therefore he plays. When picking keepers, catching>>>>>>>batting. Batting is for the batsmen to do.
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Young nicked Hopkins' job didn't he, just shows how silly it was giving Hopkins a contract :laugh:

If Baz is to be picked for his catching, then I think it's important he's moved away from the top 6.
 
Howsie

Howsie

International Captain
Flem274* said:
McCullum is still the better gloveman though and thats no insult to McGlashan. I'd say that only P Jayawardene rivals McCullum as a gloveman in the world.
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No doubt.

But I want McCullum gone from the team (one day team) so I'm just really trying to make a case for it :)
 
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