Mitchell Johnson out for the Summer?

[Spikey]

well when you put it like that

 

[Redbacks]

ha ha.

If he could do all those things for 4 consective FC matches then that would be a decent start.

 

[social]

Bad news for Oz cricket as, at the very least, he would provide a good test/experience for players in the Shield

 

[Ikki]

ha ha.

If he could do all those things for 4 consective FC matches then that would be a decent start.

LOL, well, I haven't followed his FC career but doing those things in Tests are his problem. What I meant with why I think the selectors keep picking him is they expect him to pick up on those things pretty fast, yet it is evident he doesn't.

 

[Outswinger@Pace]

I think the tempting thing with Johnson is that I don't think he needs major changes. If he can get a better seam position, more consistency with line and length; learn to contain, etc he can be a very good bowler.

Those are some major, major changes, friend. For starters, that better seam position thing would change his release position drastically and would screw up his bowling rhythm even more.

What you described there are the fundamental building blocks of pace bowling. If every bowler could do that well enough, there'd be nothing to seperate men like Trueman, Lillee and Hadlee from the Johnsons , the Siddles and the Sreesanths of the world!

 

[honestbharani]

Those are some major, major changes, friend. For starters, that better seam position thing would change his release position drastically and would screw up his bowling rhythm even more.

What you described there are the fundamental building blocks of pace bowling. If every bowler could do that well enough, there'd be nothing to seperate men like Trueman, Lillee and Hadlee from the Johnsons , the Siddles and the Sreesanths of the world!

Sreesanth HAS a better seam position, FFS! He is just that **** that he can still mess it up...

 

[Cevno]

Yeah, Sreesanth's seam position is pretty good.Probably one of the things that kept him in the team so long.

 

[outbreak]

Reporters already talking about Johnson never making it back in the test side. Not really a bad thing I hated the whole "x factor' and he'd win games for us bollocks that the commentators kept spouting for the last few years when it pretty much never happened anymore. I remember even a year ago they talked up his batting and how he is a genuine all rounder too. How often does he do anymore then just slog out?

 

[Prince EWS]

At this point I'd be happy to see the back of Johnson if it meant Australia were looking at building a balanced attack with included Copeland or Butterworth ... or even if Bollinger, Harris and Cameron were all going to fit regularly, but I'd sooner have Johnson than Cutting, Starc or Pattinson. He will be a loss if those are his only potential replacements, IMO.

 

[outbreak]

I see it as Dougie and Harris being the auto selections when fit and cummins\starc\pattinson\copeland as the guys who fight for the last spot and replace anyone who's injured.

 

[Top_Cat]

tbh, the biggest (mis)assumption is that Johnson's bowling hasn't changed over the past two years and he's just been figured out. Reject that categorically, if there's one thing which has been constant in bowling it's been change. I mean that in terms of action, seam position, movement, the works. He's tried to bowl as a shock bowler, a stock bowler, a back-of-a-length nip each-way bowler, a swing bowler, etc. Was a better bowler when he could only do a couple of things but did them really well.

When was the last time we saw him nick someone out like he used to do regularly to Dravid? His length's gone south and with it the uncertainty the batsmen had about whether to play or not. Big outswingers used to be his MO. I cringe every time I see him try bowling around the wicket, says to me (and, I'm sure, the oppo) that he's just not sure how he's going to get to the crease, let alone where to put the ball once he gets there.

 

[Prince EWS]

I see it as Dougie and Harris being the auto selections when fit and cummins\starc\pattinson\copeland as the guys who fight for the last spot and replace anyone who's injured.

Siddle?

 

[outbreak]

Siddle?

Same position as the young bowlers there was a replacement. I like Siddle and he's one of my favourites when i watch him play for the bushrangers but most of the time I just can't stop having the feeling that there is better bowlers we can be picking over him. This test we need him though, we need some experience and he does have the right attitude to lead an attack and try to scare the batsman which is something we really do lack these days. When Johnson tries intimidation half the time he reminds of a little rich kid playing at being a rebel.

 

[Prince EWS]

Well I certainly don't think Pattinson, Starc or Cutting are better than Siddle, tbh.

 

[uvelocity]

I think Pattinson will surprise a few. Can see him being above average, and having less of an extended run of ****.

 

[outbreak]

Well I certainly don't think Pattinson, Starc or Cutting are better than Siddle, tbh.

I'd take Copeland, Pattinson and Cummins over him. Agree on Starc and Cutting their more they'd be more then on potential for me.

 

[Furball]

I see it as Dougie and Harris being the auto selections when fit and cummins\starc\pattinson\copeland as the guys who fight for the last spot and replace anyone who's injured.

lolno.

 

[Shri]

Yeah, its Dougeh!.

 

[Burgey]

tbh, the biggest (mis)assumption is that Johnson's bowling hasn't changed over the past two years and he's just been figured out. Reject that categorically, if there's one thing which has been constant in bowling it's been change. I mean that in terms of action, seam position, movement, the works. He's tried to bowl as a shock bowler, a stock bowler, a back-of-a-length nip each-way bowler, a swing bowler, etc. Was a better bowler when he could only do a couple of things but did them really well.

When was the last time we saw him nick someone out like he used to do regularly to Dravid? His length's gone south and with it the uncertainty the batsmen had about whether to play or not. Big outswingers used to be his MO. I cringe every time I see him try bowling around the wicket, says to me (and, I'm sure, the oppo) that he's just not sure how he's going to get to the crease, let alone where to put the ball once he gets there.

This.

And it's made worse for Johnson because his action isn't repeatable at the best of times, even when he's just trying to do the one thing, let alone when he changes run up, decides to swing it, bowl fast, hit the pitch occasionally or whatever.

 

[Garson007]

This.

And it's made worse for Johnson because his action isn't repeatable at the best of times, even when he's just trying to do the one thing, let alone when he changes run up, decides to swing it, bowl fast, hit the pitch occasionally or whatever.

He should just stop doing that ridiculous sling-shot action. That alone might fix many things.