MasterBlaster24
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Better ODI bowler?
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Mcgrath vs Wasim Akram
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DrWolverine
International Debutant
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DrWolverine
International Debutant
This was taken from a reddit thread 1 year back
Silver Silva
International Regular
McGrath not just a great record but also helped his team win 3 World Cups , people will say he had a great team but he was a big reason why they were great. Also we've seen quality teams fail to get over the line in the past , I always felt Pakistan kind of underachieved in the 90's and early 2000's..One World Cup win does not reflect the talent they had, McGrath had that winning mentality.
Coronis
International Coach
For his batting
Wasim gets remembered for his 2 wickets spell in 92 final, but his output is very ordinary in WC over all.
Wasim in WC against non-minnows: Avg 29 , ER 4.3 , SR 40
Johan
International Vice-Captain
saving this for when someone slanders Warne's ODI career
Silver Silva
International Regular
Imran Tahir very underrated , that economy of 4.48 when odi batting was on another level between 11-19 is mighty impressive.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Lol. McGrath's team was filled with ATGs. Even without Mcgrath they were super strong.
Silver Silva
International Regular
McGrath is an ATG himself , he contributed to making Australia strong
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Mark Waugh, Bevan, Ponting, Lee, Warne, Mcgrath, Symonds, Gilly, Watson, Bracken, Hussey ...
All these guys good enough to play in most country's Alltime 11s.
McGrath was a superb bowler, he benefitted from playing for a super strong team though.
smash84
The Tiger King
From what I remember Akram was the bowler most consistently bowling 4 or more overs in the final 10 overs of the innings. That was when the real hitting happened in ODIs at the time. He was just the best at death bowling. McGrath was a better new ball bowler but coming to the death I would prefer Akram.
smash84
The Tiger King
McGrath was extremely lucky as well to have arguably the greatest batting lineups ever assembled to play for his team. Both in ODIs and Tests. Mark Waugh, Steve Waugh, Adam Gilchrist, Ricky Ponting, Damien Martyn, Matthew Hayden, Michael Clarke, Michael Hussey. Just one ridiculously good player after the other. The scoreboard pressure was enough for most teams to be mentally shot before even attempting to compete.
Silver Silva
International Regular
Pakistan had a ridiculous amount of talent in the 90's and early 2000's that couldn't gel together as a team , they gave rise to Ijaz Ahmed , Saeed Anwar , Mushtaq Ahmed , Saqlain Mushtaq, Razzaq , Afridi , Waqar , Shoaib Akthar, Mohammad Yousuf , Inzamam Ul Haq etc ..
Always scandals , poor discipline, big egos in the team so they are prime example that talent is not everything ..so McGrath was not lucky , the Aussies put cricket first above all and got what they deserved ..
smash84
The Tiger King
Lol, so you are agreeing with me?
I didn't know that Razzaq, Afridi, Saqlain, and Mushtaq were great batsmen :S
Silver Silva
International Regular
(Great players).. no I don't think McGrath was lucky. You don't make 4 finals with 3 world cup wins with his performances by luck ..
He was destroying batting line ups even at 37
smash84
The Tiger King
Errr, do you remember the 2003 world cup final? And the 2007 world cup final? Exactly the scoreboard pressure I am talking about. Also 1996 WC he wasn't that great which is understandable since he was very new to world cricket. You are trying to act as if McGrath was the sole reason they were making it to the finals and he was the most valuable player in the finals. He just wasn't.
I am not saying that McGrath had no skill. He is probably top 3 ODI bowlers. I just don't think he's the greatest ever.
DrWolverine
International Debutant
Warne was the man of the match in 1999 SF & Final. He was banned from the 2003 World Cup just a few weeks before and it made no difference. The team was so strong that even if they missed a few players, they would have still win the tournament anyway.