Match #26- West Indies vs New Zealand (N)- Brian Lara Cricket Academy, Tarouba, T&T- June 12th-- Group C

[SteveNZ]

Did you feel the same way about the 2007 WC?

The T20 one? I honestly can't remember it. I bet the Windies did - losing two close games and out.

 

[Brook's side]

NZ never a dislikeable side, but pleased to see West Indies go through.
Would be happy to see them win the tournament.

 

[SteveNZ]

Yeah, their bowling was fantastic (fielding kind of let us off the hook a couple of times). I thought the dewy conditions would make life hard for the spinners but they Motie in particular was outstanding.

A lot depends on whether Stead's contract gets renewed in mid-2025 :-) I guess it is possible they could all make the next one which is slightly closer than I realized (thought it would be late 2026). Would need to show consistent form. Even Stead eventually moved Guptill on.

Was going to like this post but I like the teal.

Haha, fair enough on the teal. I think it looks feeble.

Stead just isn't a strong enough presence and leader to coach this side. He won't move anyone on who is in the dominant clique. He might drop them here and there (Southee) but there's no bold moves for the future

 

[Bahnz]

Stead will probably lean back in his chair after these last couple of games and say to Stu Wells "See who's been performing for us? The old crew: Tim, Trent and Locky. If we'd have had Henry Nicholls coming into bat at number 3 instead of that glory hound Rachin we'd have gotten over the line."

 

[_Ed_]

The T20 one? I honestly can't remember it. I bet the Windies did - losing two close games and out.

He might mean the ODI World Cup in 2007, which had a similar format to this tournament with four groups of four (and both India and Pakistan made early exits because of upset losses to Bangladesh and Ireland).

 

[chris.hinton]

New Zealand need a new coach and fresh ideas, in all forms it feels like they are slipping away

 

[Neil Young]

New Zealand need a new coach and fresh ideas, in all forms it feels like they are slipping away

Said every NZ fan for the last 5 years.

 

[trundler]

NZ being clueless against spin offs hardly a surprise. Throwback to when Herath of all people rolled them over with 5/3. This is a tournament for spin boshers like Klaasen and Rutherford. Touch players are struggling. You need someone to muscle anything that's pitched too fill regardless of what pace it's at. Really not sure how Santner managed to go at 13.5 here.

 

[honestbharani]

The T20 one? I honestly can't remember it. I bet the Windies did - losing two close games and out.

The 2007 WC is the ODI WC - The T20 was called the WT20. And the ODI one had 16 teams with 4 teams in 4 groups and Ind and Pak missed out on super 8s coz of one bad day each against Bangladesh and Ireland. Wtih 5 teams in a group and 4 games for each team, I think this is actually pretty reasonable as a format for this tournament. Unless you want 20 teams each playing each other once coz its fair.

 

[Nintendo]

And honestly, this hurts a bit because I loved him as a cricketer for so long...but I really would like this to be Trent Boult's final acts as a New Zealand player. It won't be...but it should be. Bring the Sears', O'Rourkes, Smith, Foulkes through, because these are all format guys who still have their no.1 focus as playing for NZ. They're not likely to be franchise guys. Get as much black shirt cricket into them as possible (not teal because that uniform sucks, especially when you lose)

I get the sentiment, but boults been NZ's best bowler this WC and has featured at the last 3 WC's despite focusing more on franchise Cricket. Boult's an athlete with limited earning potential and a shelf life. I see no reason to get pissy at him for focusing on making money and performing on the biggest stage rather than pointless bilateral Cricket.

 

[SteveNZ]

I get the sentiment, but boults been NZ's best bowler this WC and has featured at the last 3 WC's despite focusing more on franchise Cricket. Boult's an athlete with limited earning potential and a shelf life. I see no reason to get pissy at him for focusing on making money and performing on the biggest stage rather than pointless bilateral Cricket.

I'm not pissy, as I said it hurts a bit and he's doing nothing I wouldn't be doing.

Boult played a two of two - TWO - T20Is for his country between World events from Nov 22 to now. That's just not a situation I am interested in.

No one will ever convince me playing for your country is 'pointless'. We have a bunch of younger guys who want to, and are able to play all formats.

 

[SteveNZ]

The 2007 WC is the ODI WC - The T20 was called the WT20. And the ODI one had 16 teams with 4 teams in 4 groups and Ind and Pak missed out on super 8s coz of one bad day each against Bangladesh and Ireland. Wtih 5 teams in a group and 4 games for each team, I think this is actually pretty reasonable as a format for this tournament. Unless you want 20 teams each playing each other once coz its fair.

50-over cricket is slightly different - that's 2.5x the ability to exhibit your skills. It's not a slog fest. But yeah you'd probably feel aggrieved with two games and out.

No I don't want 20 teams playing each other, but given T20 is played over 3.5 hrs and it's not a physically tough assignment to play day after day, I think you should be playing more than 2 major nations in the initial/pool stages. Probably need a bigger sample size of performance when it's such a short format.

 

[straw man]

NZ were slightly unlucky to play both key matches as the first two, rather than have a match vs Uganda or PNG as one of them. But, in tournament schedules, that happens sometimes.

We still have a chance though.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

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NZ were slightly unlucky to play both key matches as the first two, rather than have a match vs Uganda or PNG as one of them. But, in tournament schedules, that happens sometimes.

We still have a change though.

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One could argue this both ways tbh