Mass Retirement Events

[govinda indian fan]

Other stalwarts of that successful early-Dhoni era India side, including Gambhir, RP Singh and Zaheer (Feb 2014) all retired in that period too .

Rp singh was finished by 2009 and gambhir by 12

 

[govinda indian fan]

South african greats like abd styen amla and morkel retired between 18-19 and so did lankan greats like sanga jaywardane and dilshan in 2015

 

[govinda indian fan]

Probably the biggest in terms of 'impact' would possibly be the West Indians symbolic end the their 1980s dominance with the triple retirements of Richards, Marshall, Dujon at the end of the 1991 series v England.

Which had been closely preceeded by Greenidge's retirement at the end of the 1991 series v Aus A few months earlier.

The following decade and more showed they were 'irreplaceable'.

In terms of quality. The 2007 retirements of Warne, McGrath, Gilchrist would probably be the highest. In that they were still looking at near-peak output at time of retirement.

I feel it is a timely subject. Going to be some mass extinction events in next year or so for India, Aus, NZ.

Will they be as neat as the above examples of 3 legends retiring after the same match/series.

Honestly west indies had good like for like replacements like lara for viv and ambrose for marshall. Wi did ok till walsh - amborse retired in 2001 after that became bad and are in free fall since lara in 07 and aus didnt recovered from macwarne retirements till strac and hazlewood settled as pair in 2015 and became best attack in world with Cummins joining in 17

 

[govinda indian fan]

Honestly west indies had good like for like replacements like lara for viv and ambrose for marshall. Wi did ok till walsh - amborse retired in 2001 after that became bad and are in free fall since lara in 07 and aus didnt recovered from macwarne retirements till strac and hazlewood settled as pair in 2015 and became best attack in world with Cummins joining in 17

Aus found replacements like smith for punter and warner for hayden but havent quite found Gilly's replacement

 

[Ali TT]

Rp singh was finished by 2009 and gambhir by 12

2012 would be the middle year of the period 2011-13.
RP's last match was his heroic call-up in 2011.

 

[govinda indian fan]

2012 would be the middle year of the period 2011-13.
RP's last match was his heroic call-up in 2011.

Lol calling up a fat unfit rp was peak Buffoonery

 

[Ali TT]

Lol getting a fat unfit rp was peak Buffoonery

On India's part, heroic by him giving up his holiday like that.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Rp singh was finished by 2009 and gambhir by 12

Was RP ever not finished to begin with??

 

[Niall]

Was RP ever not finished to begin with??

Decent article their on him, he definitely had a moment when he was really good and played a big role in some of the most iconic India test results of the last 20 years , but yeah remarkable his international career was done at 25.

Lord of Lord’s
On a recent tour of Bangladesh, both Zaheer and RP had bowled from both over and round the wicket to the batters. The English batters were not accustomed to facing two left-arm fast bowlers swinging the ball in either direction from both over and round the wicket. In the first Test match, at Lord’s, RP took 2-58 and 5-59. Both the second-innings figures and match figures were the best for a left-arm seamer at Lord’s since 1961.

In the second innings, he ran through Michael Vaughan’s defence from round the wicket, and bounced out Paul Collingwood. India rode on luck, rain, and MS Dhoni to save the Test match.


India then won at Trent Bridge for the first time. While Zaheer and jellybeans played their part, so did RP. After beating Kevin Pietersen several times at Lord’s, he now trapped him leg-before for 13 and 19. With a draw at The Oval, India won a Test series in England after 21 years.

Zaheer finished the series with 20 wickets at 20.33; RP, with 12, at 28.91. “There had not really been anyone in international cricket who had swung the ball both ways from round the wicket since Wasim Akram,” wrote Nasser Hussain in the Wisden Almanack. The series helped earn him a brief stint with Leicestershire.

Two months later, in the World T20, he returned 4-0-13-4 in a match India needed to win, against South Africa, and 4-0-26-3 in the final. That January, there was a 4-124 in Sydney. In the next Test match, he had 4-68 and 2-95 (and surprised everyone with a vital 30 from No.10) to help India win at Perth for the first time.

Steep rise, slow decline – Whatever happened to RP Singh?

RP Singh played for India A before Ranji Trophy, had a five-wicket haul in Lord’s, helped India win a T20 World Cup and Test match in Perth, and won an IPL Purple Cap. Yet, he played only 82 times for India, and never after his 26th birthday.

www.wisden.com

 

[SkyBlue]

I think India are well covered in terms of batters once fatso and Kohli call it quits(although I think he will continue for another couple of years sadly)

But I think spin is where India will be impacted most over the next few years especially in test cricket. Sundar and Axar while capable batsmen are not as good as Ashwin and Jadeja in terms of spin bowling. So many of those dominant test wins at home was built on the back of match winning spells from Ashwin and Jadeja.

I think they'll be fine in white ball cricket though given that they have more options.


I'm more interested to see how Australia figure out their next generation.

Too many oldies in the team right now. Even their reserves are pretty old.

 

[govinda indian fan]

I think India are well covered in terms of batters once fatso and Kohli call it quits(although I think he will continue for another couple of years sadly)

But I think spin is where India will be impacted most over the next few years especially in test cricket. Sundar and Axar while capable batsmen are not as good as Ashwin and Jadeja in terms of spin bowling. So many of those dominant test wins at home was built on the back of match winning spells from Ashwin and Jadeja.

I think they'll be fine in white ball cricket though given that they have more options.


I'm more interested to see how Australia figure out their next generation.

Too many oldies in the team right now. Even their reserves are pretty old.

Kuldeep is good stop gap option. This is india we will alwyas produce world class spinners but issue is with fast bowlers we have either tall hit the deck kinds ( prasidh harshit gurnoor yudhavir) or swing bowlers( mukesh anshul kamboj vibhav arora) not skiddy resverse swing oriented bowlers through kuldeep sen and umran there tho

 

[govinda indian fan]

Kuldeep is good stop gap option. This is india we will alwyas produce world class spinners but issue is with fast bowlers we have either tall hit the deck kinds ( prasidh harshit gurnoor yudhavir) or swing bowlers( mukesh anshul kamboj vibhav arora) not skiddy resverse swing oriented bowlers through kuldeep sen and umran there tho

We have good pool of batters like sai sudharsan pradosh ranjan paul yash dhull priyam garg sarfraz and his brother shiek rashid and ayush mathre

 

[SkyBlue]

Possibly in terms of impact because the replacements were so much worse. But in quantity alone, McGrath, Warne, Gillespie, Martyn, Langer, Hayden, Gilchrist, MacGill all in the space of 2 years would have to close to the most gone in a short time frame I would have thought

Between 2008-2013, Australia had a pretty dry barren run in terms of winning important trophies. Only won a champions trophy during this time iirc

Lost the Ashes to England at home for the first time in like 25 years.

Lost the ODI World cup, lost the T20 world cup final to England

Whitewashed by India in India for the first time ever I think..

But then came that Ashes series in 2014 and they've managed to carve out a successful generation ever since

I think they're due to witness another period of decline in the next 2-3 years. Not easy to replace so many old players in one go.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Lol calling up a fat unfit rp was peak Buffoonery

Not as funny as the fanfare for Sehwag who promptly got a King Pair

 

[Bahnz]

From an NZ perspective the 2007 WC represented a significant example. Astle retired a month before the tournament, and then within a year McMillan and Fleming retired, Styris retired from tests and Bond was retired by the NZC. Throw in Franklin's knee injury, from which he never really recovered, and the team of 08 was almost unrecognizable.

 

[SteveNZ]

2027 (or 28) and beyond for NZ will look very, very different than it does now. I would love to think the guys who will be part of that next wave (Heaphy, Mariu, Smith, Ashok, Fisher, Sears, Jacobs, Hay, Chu etc) will have a lot of opportunity to be exposed before then, but I won't hold my breath.

It'll get to a point in that sort of time where NZ will play Australia, and hardly any of them (bar Sears playing one Test in 2024) on either side will have played any cricket against each other at all.

 

[jcas0167]

Black Caps lost Hadlee, Bracewell and Snedden at the end of the 1990 tour to England. Hadlee obviously was irreplaceable despite an ongoing search through the late 80's for young fast bowlers and Denis Lillee coaching clinics (Brian Barrett, Sean Tracy, Shane Thomson, Jonathan Millmow). NZ really struggled to win test matches until Cairns, Nash, Doull became fixtures in the side (although Danny Morrison did play a big role in winning a home test against Australia in 92/93).

Just looking up those Denis Lillee clinics I came across this gem.

 

[Coronis]

Black Caps lost Hadlee, Bracewell and Snedden at the end of the 1990 tour to England. Hadlee obviously was irreplaceable despite an ongoing search through the late 80's for young fast bowlers and Denis Lillee coaching clinics (Brian Barrett, Sean Tracy, Shane Thomson, Jonathan Millmow). NZ really struggled to win test matches until Cairns, Nash, Doull became fixtures in the side (although Danny Morrison did play a big role in winning a home test against Australia in 92/93).

Just looking up those Denis Lillee clinics I came across this gem.
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iirc he still played FC well into the late 80’s despite retiring from tests in 84.