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Marshall Vs Sobers

Marshall Vs Sobers


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Slifer

International Captain
Current SA would beat 1980s India, NZ and SL

Current WI wouldn’t beat 1980s India but would be equivalent to NZ and beat SL
Current Rsa would beat SL. That's it. 80s India and NZ especially away ain't happening. And quit saying I'm downplaying Current teams. I said some are better and some are worse. But no team from the 80s are as bad as Current WI, Zim, Ireland, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan. And I excluded SL from 80s teams because Marshall never played them.
 

ma1978

International Debutant
Current Rsa would beat SL. That's it. 80s India and NZ especially away ain't happening. And quit saying I'm downplaying Current teams. I said some are better and some are worse. But no team from the 80s are as bad as Current WI, Zim, Ireland, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan. And I excluded SL from 80s teams because Marshall never played them.
Didn’t the Windies just draw a test series in Australia right now and a tiny percentage of test matches are played against Zim, Ire, Ban and Afg.
 

ma1978

International Debutant
Current Rsa would beat SL. That's it. 80s India and NZ especially away ain't happening. And quit saying I'm downplaying Current teams. I said some are better and some are worse. But no team from the 80s are as bad as Current WI, Zim, Ireland, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan. And I excluded SL from 80s teams because Marshall never played them.
lol. Current India can’t beat RSA at home, let alone 80s India.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Many all time XI's is a stretch considering he missed out on the only two that matters.
Yes. Many. Would wager as many as Marshall. Marshall doesn't make the top ten in two end of century lists by different elite panels.

Stop saying our logic when even in the poll started by Imran's biggest fan, he's a relatively distant 4th in the voting and marginally ahead of Wasim.
Imran is CWs choice for no.3 player of all-time. I know that annoys you to no end but it's how he is seen.

This is one of the two reasons I'm not going to continue arguing with you about anything. You're disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. No captain is responsible for 15 -20% of the result and I never said that. I initially gave a number between 10 & 20%, which after consideration revived to at most 5%.
Lol this is hilarious. I am just giving your own opinion. And now you change your stance because you got caught out for it

The West Indies were not the best team ever based on their batting, not in the 80's. Hadlee had some if his best figures against them, and literally Imran's best. It was Viv, and after a while Richardson. In '88, the team was no better than the ones you're giving Marshall crap for. The middle.order had in Hooper and Logie.
Pretty sure Viv, Haynes, Geeenidge and Richardson were the best batting team in the world.

I give him credit for it, he still has to answer for his test records.
Never gave him credit for it until we pointed it out. Nor do you want to even consider it in his Aus record.

The same way you believe Imran is better than them, I believe they are better. Every poll ever don't on this site also shows them demolishing him head to head and as a trio. On one of the you represented half the Imran vote all on your own. I think both are clearly ahead of Imran in my estimation. I could post the poll results again for you if you don't remember them.
Again, Imran is no.3 player on CW.

No one on the platform besides you thinks that Imran Khan is the equal to Malcom Marshall as a bowler.
Lie

As per Marshall not being in the top 3's, I noted in my post that the players normally positioned for that spot have been.
As per Wisden
Hobbs, Richards & Warne
As per Cricinfo's team
Warne & Tendulkar

My argument is that Marshall has as good a case as any of them, and even in polls on the thread, has beaten each of them in one on one votes.
Yet Marshall wasnt rated by peers and pundits that highly. Imran is rated higher than him frankly.

You keep trying to create these narratives by repeating them and hoping that they stick. You have tried to disparage Ambrose and Steyn because they are his closest rivals. You daily go after Kallis because he's his closest rival as an all-rounder, recently started going after Hadlee as well, and today Marshall. It just never ends.
I said Marshall is no.1. just pointing out his weaknesses in his record doesn't change that.

Everyone if over rated for you, but Imran is the only one's that under rated. You consistently ignore the ball tampering and home umpiring advantages that he enjoyed more than any other ATG bowler, but focuses on everything else for every other player. And it's tiring.
Just as you have been forced to acknowledge Imran the bat and captain, you will be forced to accept Imran the bowler. Otherwise you ruin your own credibility.
 

Coronis

International Coach
A bit easier relative to who? McGrath? Ambrose? Who? McGrath played in a similarly strong Aussie bowling lineup. I will admit he played against some strong Indian teams but he also played some weaker batting (similar to MM) like vs the WI, England etc.

Hadlee? Their careers overlapped enough to where they played vs similar strength teams and if you think wickets in WI are spicy, they have nothing on conditions in 80s NZ.

There are a handful of series where Marshall didn't necessarily have the full support of the other great pacers: away to India in '83 and away to Pakistan in '86 and he still excelled. I'm compelled to believe that bowling support or not, he'd have ended up with the record that he has.
tbf most the Windies pacers (bar Garner) struggled far more in NZ against a worse batting lineup than Hadlee did in the Windies against a much stronger lineup.
 

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