Marnus Labuschagne on course to be Australia greatest test match batsman

[trundler]

I've seen some kiwi posters make the Ross taylor argument

Most one eyed fan base on the forum, that's not a serious consideration. KP had a 7 year career that was almost perfectly timed to go with batting ease and he barely averaged 40 away from home still.

If those 2 guys are in consideration for ATG then the term loses all meaning.

 

[Nintendo]

Laxman isn’t an ATG though.

I feel like people are missing the point im trying to make. Nohe of KP, Laxman or Ross Taylor are ATG quality, their a tier below that but I've seen decently credible arguments made for all of them to be ATG tier even if I don't personally agree with them.

 

[Coronis]

Most one eyed fan base on the forum,

Oh I think a few others might challenge.

 

[Prince EWS]

Oh I think a few others might challenge.

Does Himmanv's anti-Sanga agenda do enough to cancel out Migara?

 

[Coronis]

Does Himmanv's anti-Sanga agenda do enough to cancel out Migara?

Its tight.

 

[shortpitched713]

Kills me to say this but even Travis Head is **** loads better than Marnus. Marnus is due for a very nasty fall over the next few years. Metaphorically of course.

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Honestly, don't know if we're watching the same cricket. Labuschagne is comfortable second best in Australia's middle order, heck in India he looked the very best. Australian batting lineup will be in good hands with him as it's talisman.

 

[HookShot]

Smith remains the greatest Australian batsman of the modern era because he transformed himself from a leg-spinning batting all rounder to a world-class batsman to single-handedly rescue the Australian team after the retirement of Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Katich. So you could say that he is comparable to Allan Border who held the side together during the 1980s after the retirement of Chappell, Lillee, Marsh.

The previous decade would have been very depressing for Australian Cricket without his mountain of runs.

 

[Daemon]

The previous decade would have been very depressing for Australian Cricket without his mountain of runs.

Never thought about it this way. They’d still dominate at home tbf.

 

[shortpitched713]

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Honestly, don't know if we're watching the same cricket. Labuschagne is comfortable second best in Australia's middle order, heck in India he looked the very best. Australian batting lineup will be in good hands with him as it's talisman.

I still believe this.

He has had quite a fall in average, after tough series against quality opponents. But to me, this has had more to do with a creeping in of complacency, rather than lack of ability.

To me, he oozes talent. He just seems not quite his hyperactive, scrappy, but most of all locked into winning, best.

 

[The Sean]

Test Cricket Career Ratings

I've finally had a good look at these, in particular his all time all-rounder ratings. Suffice it to say I am now a huge advocate of this very fine gentleman and his analysis, and wish to champion him relentlessly as the single source of truth for all things cricket.

 

[ataraxia]

I've finally had a good look at these, in particular his all time all-rounder ratings. Suffice it to say I am now a huge advocate of this very fine gentleman and his analysis, and wish to champion him relentlessly as the single source of truth for all things cricket.

Goddard at #3, wow

 

[Prince EWS]

Goddard at #3, wow

Goddard was definitely gun.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Labuschagne is only in the side because the batting stocks in Aus are so weak. Wouldn't get close to a 90s or 00s Aus side. Brad Hodge and Martin Love are comfortably better

@trundler

 

[trundler]

Labuschagne is only in the side because the batting stocks in Aus are so weak. Wouldn't get close to a 90s or 00s Aus side. Brad Hodge and Martin Love are comfortably better

@trundler

Better than Bevan though as he can play the short ball

 

[Chin Music]

Labuschagne is a good player, heck even a very good player but it is pretty obvious that he is vastly superior on homei tracks against attacks lacking express pace. Was it a real surprise that he filled his boots so much against a Windies bowling lineup woefully ill-equipped to cause any discomfort to Australia on home soil? As I put on another thread, you only need to exclude that two test series and his average drops to 48 from 53. There is enough evidence of his away day travails that suggest he is a decent but not outstanding player away from home. Perhaps an upgrade on Warner in terms of doing better overseas, but some way short of being truly outstanding in all aspects of batting.

 

[Socerer 01]

he will be a batsman who averages in the 40s which reflects his talent rather than one who averages above 50

 

[Nintendo]

Labuschagne is a good player, heck even a very good player but it is pretty obvious that he is vastly superior on homei tracks against attacks lacking express pace. Was it a real surprise that he filled his boots so much against a Windies bowling lineup woefully ill-equipped to cause any discomfort to Australia on home soil? As I put on another thread, you only need to exclude that two test series and his average drops to 48 from 53. There is enough evidence of his away day travails that suggest he is a decent but not outstanding player away from home. Perhaps an upgrade on Warner in terms of doing better overseas, but some way short of being truly outstanding in all aspects of batting.

He averages 41 away, thats only 1.5 runs less than kohli and kane, who have similiar home/away splits. Even at his best Warner's away Warner was averaging 35, and that away average majorly built on the pre 2016 batting paradise era.

Marnus isn't anywhere near Australia's best test bat or even heading towards that, but what you've said above is fairly extreme.

 

[shortpitched713]

Averaging 50 these days, is no easy feat. Even Root barely manages it, and he had some very early career flattish pitches helping his cause, which Labuschagne does not (not to say that things conditions can't or won't change down the line to suit Labuschagne, but yeah batting is mostly a bit difficult these days).

 

[Ali TT]

He averages 41 away, thats only 1.5 runs less than kohli and kane, who have similiar home/away splits. Even at his best Warner's away Warner was averaging 35, and that away average majorly built on the pre 2016 batting paradise era.

Marnus isn't anywhere near Australia's best test bat or even heading towards that, but what you've said above is fairly extreme.

He averages 37.6 away from home if you factor in 3 matches in the desert.

No point comparing yet to Kohli or Big Daddy Kane, who have both played way more than double the matches he has. Marnus hasn't been around long enough to experience the big ups and downs typical of an extended test career. My prediction is his average will fall into the mid-40s rather than stick in the 50s, my instinct says he's closer to an Ian Bell than a Mike Hussey.

 

[Nintendo]

He averages 37.6 away from home if you factor in 3 matches in the desert.

No point comparing yet to Kohli or Big Daddy Kane, who have both played way more than double the matches he has. Marnus hasn't been around long enough to experience the big ups and downs typical of an extended test career. My prediction is his average will fall into the mid-40s rather than stick in the 50s, my instinct says he's closer to an Ian Bell than a Mike Hussey.

Ohh ****, my bad on that. Didn't include Neutral venues. That comparison is probably fair given he was a 30 average shield bat at that point, but you can make the same argument for kohli and Kane early career.

FYI, I agree with you on the whole, I think he'll end up at 46-48 average batsmen by the time he's done.