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Mark Ramprakash
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zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
pup11
International Coach
Every Aussie fan is hoping for the same, but obviously for reasons different from the one you mentioned.
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pup11
International Coach
Of course, I would love to have both Bops and Belly playing in the next test, but its pretty much a given that one of them, or probably even both of them might be dropped, and I certainly as an Aussie fan won't mind Ramps coming into the side as one of the replacements.
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
Very interesting as Trescothick said on SSN only two days ago that he had no intention of making a comeback and was finished with England.
tooextracool
International Coach
His latest statement: "No one has spoken to me or said anything to me on the issue," he said. "If I was asked, I don't know. I'm retired. I'm done. If they threw questions at me, I would listen. But until they do I can't answer.
seems to suggest that he isn't sure himself anymore. Derek Pringle stated in the telegraph that a close friend of Trescothick puts it at 60-40 in favor of him returning if he was asked, so it would seem that with enough coaxing he would come back. The questions is, should the England management bend over to ask him to play at the oval?
Langeveldt
Soutie
Can't wait to see Ramps, I reckon he's a dead cert now..
All this building for the future crap is one of the reasons England are consistantly second best in every form of cricket going.. Means they persevere with dregs like Broad and Bopara when it's already been establish they are not test class.. Ramps has a poor test record, granted, but in terms of "ability to win a game at the moment" he beats England's entire middle order bar Pietersen
All this building for the future crap is one of the reasons England are consistantly second best in every form of cricket going.. Means they persevere with dregs like Broad and Bopara when it's already been establish they are not test class.. Ramps has a poor test record, granted, but in terms of "ability to win a game at the moment" he beats England's entire middle order bar Pietersen
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Firstly, Broad is neither dregs nor is it proven that he isn't Test-class. He averages 33.52 with the ball over the last twelve months, sure it's not world-class but it's hardly an epic fail, especially when coupled with 25 with the bat. FWIW he clearly was picked too early and the 'for the future' approach may or may not have cost us a few games here and there, but I think now people are actually realising - who would we rather have in the team? And when you realise, erm, well, actually, nobody, then it's not the nonsense selection everyone makes it out to be.
And I suppose Ramps' ability in the middle order is better than the proven failures we have in there like Collingwood or Flintoff? Yeah sure, Ramprakash has won many more games in a moment with the bat than Flintoff....
And I suppose Ramps' ability in the middle order is better than the proven failures we have in there like Collingwood or Flintoff? Yeah sure, Ramprakash has won many more games in a moment with the bat than Flintoff....
Langeveldt
Soutie
Flintoff isn't even declared fit, the whole issue with his knee has prevented him turning between the wickets.. I guess England could pick him as a specialist batsman and he could stand there and biff, but thats a gamble and a half.. Collingwood hasn't looked remotely like scoring anything.. If the Aussies bowl anything like they did in the first two tests at Ramps, he should eat them for breakfast.. He probably won't though..
I'd have Sidebottom in for Broad if the top order were looking slightly less like a game of jenga..
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Flintoff pretty much has been declared fit and then you go on to contradict yourself. Colly scored three fifties in four innings when Oz bowled like they did in the first two tests...
As for Sidey V Broad - look, I love Sidey. But did you happen to see what happened when they last bowled in the same series? Guess who was by far and away the better bowler...
Majin
International Debutant
I honestly think Ramps would be the best selection for this case. It's a one off thing, in a situation that England need to win. If he comes in, and does well, it will have been a genius move to bring him back in. And as has been mentioned previously, the man has scored heavy runs consistently for years now at county. It's not entirely unfathomable that he could do it one more time at a ground where he's got 29 tons out of 60 odd games or whatever the stat is. On the other hand, if he comes in and fails and England lose, well, so what? We all know that Ramps can be fragile at test level, and at least you haven't heaped the pressure onto a guy like Trott. Who knows what effect bringing him in for this test and the team losing badly might have on a young guy. Whatever happens to Ramps, it's not going to make a huge difference in the overall scheme of things. So I'm all for giving him a chance.
Then again I'm Surrey biased anyway
would love to see Ramps get one more shot.
Then again I'm Surrey biased anyway
masterblaster
International Captain
I'd love to see Mark Ramprakash back playing test cricket even if it was for this test. I really liked his quote in the BBC article that was posted and he said 'People still think this is 1995' and that 'People continue to develop, grow and improve'. I think he's spot on.
The Mark Ramprakash of today is 39 years old, has a huge amount of experience, knows his game inside out and back to front and is much more likely to cope with pressure and succeed than a 25 or 30 year old Mark Ramprakash did.
If he gets selected I'd say there is a pretty good chance of him doing well, especially in the form that he's currently in and the amount of experience he has.
The Mark Ramprakash of today is 39 years old, has a huge amount of experience, knows his game inside out and back to front and is much more likely to cope with pressure and succeed than a 25 or 30 year old Mark Ramprakash did.
If he gets selected I'd say there is a pretty good chance of him doing well, especially in the form that he's currently in and the amount of experience he has.
tooextracool
International Coach
This. I've been saying something along the same lines recently. Personally, If I was Ramps and I got the call, I would be anything but nervous. Here is the one chance that he thought he would never get to change perspective on his international career and end as an Ashes hero and the downside is minimal given his international record.
If I was Trott on the other hand and I got the call now, I would be at least a little bit nervous. 1 poor test is all it takes to end a career, ask Gavin Hamilton and if Trott didn't play this test, we all know that he'll probably get a call up eventually anyhow. Trott simply has a lot more to lose than Ramps and if you ask me that is equivalent to greater pressure on the man.
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tooextracool
International Coach
Thats exactly the problem though. Why are we lauding 50s? Ok credit to him for his performance in the first test for batting as long as he did, but the bottom line is that 50s on flat pitches dont mean anything other than failure for not going on to carry on. Collingwood bats in the top 5, there is no excuse for not scoring 100s when you have the chance to cash in on flat batting strips against mediocre bowling. None whatsoever.
