Kumble vs Warne

[krishneelz]

I expect a few fireworks in this thread

Muhuhuhahaha

Personally i cant decide

 

[DJellett]

Warne.
No explenation needed.

 

[krishneelz]

i can see your argument

very complicated but i get the jist of it

 

[krishneelz]

i say kumble for argument sake

 

[mavric41]

Warne is better but Kumble is very good. They showed a table yesterday of the top wicket takers and Kumble has overtaken both Ambrose and Akram in 10 or more less tests.

 

[Jono]

They're two different types of spinners, About 99% of people would pick Warne, and justifiably so, but never overlook Kumble. Everytime someone does, he takes 5 or more in an innings

 

[FRAZ]

They're two different types of spinners, About 99% of people would pick Warne, and justifiably so, but never overlook Kumble. Everytime someone does, he takes 5 or more in an innings

Yup
Said it all ........
Stay Kool

 

[SJS]

Warne is better but Kumble is very good. They showed a table yesterday of the top wicket takers and Kumble has overtaken both Ambrose and Akram in 10 or more less tests.

Warne for succeeding in more varied surfaces and conditions than Kumble whose record (inspite of the last Aussie tour) is still heavily influenced by his deeds at home.

I know people will reply by quoting Warne's record in India but the arguments against that are
1. He has still succeeded on more surfaces.
2. In India it is not the surface but the ability of Indian batsmen against spin that has ruined his record. I think the Indian line up will play Kumble equally comfortably at home.

 

[viktor]

They might not... we have difficulty playing quality fast bowling

 

[SJS]

They might not... we have difficulty playing quality fast bowling

 

[V Reddy]

Warne for succeeding in more varied surfaces and conditions than Kumble whose record (inspite of the last Aussie tour) is still heavily influenced by his deeds at home.

I know people will reply by quoting Warne's record in India but the arguments against that are
1. He has still succeeded on more surfaces.
2. In India it is not the surface but the ability of Indian batsmen against spin that has ruined his record. I think the Indian line up will play Kumble equally comfortably at home.

But the same arguement can be held against Warne too that he doesn't get to bowl to the best batting lineup in the world . Though there is no doubt that Warne is the better one

 

[SJS]

But the same arguement can be held against Warne too that he doesn't get to bowl to the best batting lineup in the world . Though there is no doubt that Warne is the better one

Firstly it is debatable that Aussies are the best players of spin. Even so, for a fair comparison just comapare their figures against the same opposition under the same conditions and you will see how they match up !

In other words, Their figures oin all tests except those played in India and Australia

Want to give it a try ?

 

[Waughney]

Warne by an immeasurable margin.

 

[biased indian]

I know people will reply by quoting Warne's record in India but the arguments against that are
1. He has still succeeded on more surfaces.
2. In India it is not the surface but the ability of Indian batsmen against spin that has ruined his record. I think the Indian line up will play Kumble equally comfortably at home.

thats what i have problem with.even though he is a very good bowler he has have some problems that indians have shown.look at the current series in which most of the india batsmen are out of form and Tendulkar is not in the team and he is still strugging to get them out

 

[a massive zebra]

Kumble whose record (inspite of the last Aussie tour) is still heavily influenced by his deeds at home.

Most definitely...

Kumble:

in India 42 2258.1 5415 240 22.56 10/74 2.39 56.4 16 4

in Australia 6 352.3 1160 29 40.00 8/141 3.29 72.9 3 1
in England 7 381.1 1008 22 45.81 4/66 2.64 103.9 0 0
in New Zealand 3 191.3 443 11 40.27 4/83 2.31 104.4 0 0
in South Africa 9 501.5 1095 31 35.32 6/53 2.18 97.1 1 0
in Sri Lanka 6 330.2 939 22 42.68 5/87 2.84 90.0 1 0
in West Indies 7 259.5 750 22 34.09 5/104 2.88 70.8 2 0

 

[Anil]

warne by a country mile....kumble is a very, very good spinner but warne is one of the greatest of all time...the only reason for him not being called the greatest spinner is his lack of positive results against indian batsmen....he could very well rectify that in this series....

 

[a massive zebra]

warne by a country mile....the only reason for him not being called the greatest spinner is his lack of positive results against indian batsmen

Thats not the only reason...

Murali has a better average, strike rate and economy rate despite having comparitively no support and the fact that Warne has not had to play against the world's best team. Murali been more successful against every team except Pakistan, who fielded teenagers during one of Australia's tours. Although Warne has been less effective since his shoulder injury, even at his peak (1993-97) he was not as good as Murali has been this century. Warne has been known to be hit around occasionally and although Murali has previously been nullified to a degree, he has never been smashed around the park.

O'Reilly never had a bad series and was far more consistent. Bradman was one of the few people to have seen both and said O'Reilly was superior.

Laker at his best kicks Warne's ass at his best.

 

[Anil]

Thats not the only reason...

Murali has a better average, strike rate and economy rate despite having comparitively no support and the fact that Warne has not had to play against the world's best team. Murali been more successful against every team except Pakistan, who fielded teenagers during one of Australia's tours. Although Warne has been less effective since his shoulder injury, even at his peak (1993-97) he was not as good as Murali has been this century. Warne has been known to be hit around occasionally and although Murali has previously been nullified to a degree, he has never been smashed around the park.

O'Reilly never had a bad series and was far more consistent. Bradman was one of the few people to have seen both and said O'Reilly was superior.

Laker at his best kicks Warne's ass at his best.

ok good points...anyway, the fact remains that he is way better than kumble and is an all-time great....

 

[Anil]

Thats not the only reason...

Murali has a better average, strike rate and economy rate despite having comparitively no support and the fact that Warne has not had to play against the world's best team. Murali been more successful against every team except Pakistan, who fielded teenagers during one of Australia's tours. Although Warne has been less effective since his shoulder injury, even at his peak (1993-97) he was not as good as Murali has been this century. Warne has been known to be hit around occasionally and although Murali has previously been nullified to a degree, he has never been smashed around the park.

O'Reilly never had a bad series and was far more consistent. Bradman was one of the few people to have seen both and said O'Reilly was superior.

Laker at his best kicks Warne's ass at his best.

ok...good points


anyway....fact remains that he is way better than kumble and is an all-time great...

 

[a massive zebra]

ok good points...anyway, the fact remains that he is way better than kumble and is an all-time great....

For sure