KKD Karthik will replace Parthiv Patel

[Deja moo]

Then why not have batsmen bowl like top-line bowlers ??

I can picture it now........October....first test India vs Austrlia.......

First ball.....Tendulkar trundling in to bowl to McGrath.......A snorter of a delivery....Glen ducks......

second ball.....Sachin bowls at 150 kph.....McGrath hooks it for 4.......Tendulkar calls McGrath a motha-sista-whatever .

 

[delkap]

you cant BLAME gilly for that!! just because he is excellent at both, doesnt mean he is to blame. it is the modern perception that you need to be an excellent bat as well as a keeper. however i believe this shouldnt be the case. i think jones ahead of read is a good move, jones is a very good keeper IMO anywhoo and he averages 10, 15, 20 odd more anyway.

hehe relax,
I wasn't blaming Gilly.. I was merely stating that since Gilly is too good, people hv similar expectations from their country's keepers, hence no-one is good enough.. and ofcourse chances are no-one would be for a while atleast..

If you don't compare Patel to Gilchrist, he is damn good keeper-batsman ..

 

[delkap]

I can picture it now........October....first test India vs Austrlia.......First ball.....Tendulkar trundling in to bowl to McGrath.......A snorter of a delivery....Glen ducks......second ball.....Sachin bowls at 150 kph.....McGrath hooks it for 4.......Tendulkar sledges McGrath.

Top Post that !!

 

[Nate]

hehe relax,
I wasn't blaming Gilly.. I was merely stating that since Gilly is too good, people hv similar expectations from their country's keepers, hence no-one is good enough.. and ofcourse chances are no-one would be for a while atleast..

If you don't compare Patel to Gilchrist, he is damn good keeper-batsman ..

yea point(s) taken. what do you guys think of jones? youve already got my opinion.

 

[Arjun]

Adam Gilchrist is good enough to fit into an Australian top-6, so there is purpose in picking him, even if he is an average wicketkeeper- Dereyck Murray and Farrokh Engineer don't rate him highly. But there are no Indian wicketkeepers capable of batting in the Indian top 6, so the best keeper has to play.

It does not have to be a wicketkeeper who has to bat as well as a batsman. It could even be a bowler. IF Adam Gilchrist made batting improtant for a wicketkeeper, so did Cairns, Klusener and Pollock, for bowlers.

 

[Arjun]

yea point(s) taken. what do you guys think of jones? youve already got my opinion.

He is no more than a batsman who owns the gloves, as Ted Corbett said.

 

[Nate]

Adam Gilchrist is good enough to fit into an Australian top-6, so there is purpose in picking him, even if he is an average wicketkeeper- Dereyck Murray and Farrokh Engineer don't rate him highly. But there are no Indian wicketkeepers capable of batting in the Indian top 6, so the best keeper has to play.

It does not have to be a wicketkeeper who has to bat as well as a batsman. It could even be a bowler. IF Adam Gilchrist made batting improtant for a wicketkeeper, so did Cairns, Klusener and Pollock, for bowlers.

sorry mate, thats wrong. bowlers will get in for bowling but keepers on an international level need to bat in the worlds eye. it shouldnt be the case in most instances but it is. but patel should be in ODIS to stop dravid wearing the gloves.

 

[Nate]

He is no more than a batsman who owns the gloves, as Ted Corbett said.

so youd have read instead?? no way. he has kept extremely well of late, and batted the same. jones owns.

 

[delkap]

IF Adam Gilchrist made batting improtant for a wicketkeeper, so did Cairns, Klusener and Pollock, for bowlers.

Thats why Cairns, Klusener, and Pollock(to quite an extent) are reffered as all-rounders !!

 

[delkap]

so youd have read instead?? no way. he has kept extremely well of late, and batted the same. jones owns.

I agree with, IMO Jones is a much better choice over Read..

 

[marc71178]

Tendulkar calls McGrath a motha-sista-whatever .

I think SRT has too much class to do that.

 

[Deja moo]

I think SRT has too much class to do that.

Yeah , but he isnt going to bowl at 150 either !

 

[Deja moo]

I think SRT has too much class to do that.

It was an underhand shot at McGrath on my part .

 

[delkap]

i think everyone got that, just that Marc had to post a response

 

[Deja moo]

i think everyone got that, just that Marc had to post a response

I dont mind. Marc posting that allowed me to have 2 posts explaining things. And if you hadnt posted this , I was going to submit two more posts clarifying the same thing :wink:

 

[Nate]

sorry to change the topic direction... but im interested on more peoples thoughts on jones over read. so what do ya think?

 

[deeps]

deep dasgupta is the key imo......he's showed he can bat...he was doin really well at the top of the order for india,and he was dropped due to his keepign...his keeping has improved dramatically,and now he's ready! he can bat anywhere, and will do a sterling job.


much better than patel!

he also just rrecently turned 27,which isn't too old!


averages 29 in tests, 1 century and 2 fifites, in 8 tests
has only had 5 odis and hasnt' done that well, with a HS of 24* averaging 17

 

[Arjun]

Thats why Cairns, Klusener, and Pollock(to quite an extent) are reffered as all-rounders !!

Gilchrist is not just any wicketkeeper, but a genuine all-rounder, just like them. Not all wicketkeepers are genuine all-rounders, and there are none in India.

so youd have read instead?? no way. he has kept extremely well of late, and batted the same. jones owns.

Not well enough. He has his weaknesses, otherwise the English, not the greatest fielding side, would not have conceded so many 300+ totals in Tests. Read is not a bad batsman, but good enough to build partnerships. I would suggest playing him in place of a bowler.

deep dasgupta is the key imo......he's showed he can bat...he was doin really well at the top of the order for india,and he was dropped due to his keepign...his keeping has improved dramatically,and now he's ready! he can bat anywhere, and will do a sterling job.


much better than patel!

he also just rrecently turned 27,which isn't too old!


averages 29 in tests, 1 century and 2 fifites, in 8 tests
has only had 5 odis and hasnt' done that well, with a HS of 24* averaging 17

YIKE!!! PLEASE, NOT HIM!!

Remember the Bourda Drop? A certain Carl Hooper was dropped on zero, and he went on to make 233, along with Chanderpaul. Dasgupta has several drops and missed stumpings to his credit.

The Indians have their weaknesses in the field (especially the captain, who would not make an Australian, SA or NZ side due to his fielding), so they need a good wicketkeeper. Besides, keeping to Anil Kumble is not at all easy, and Deep Sleep has given Kumble many reasons to gasp in disappointment. This is why 'Jumbo' has never had confidence in wicketkeepers other than Nayan Mongia, who formed a very useful partnership with him.

 

[deeps]

as mentioned above....his keeping has improved immensly..he also has the character,and determination to cut it at international level

 

[Arjun]

as mentioned above....his keeping has improved immensly..he also has the character,and determination to cut it at international level

I doubt if it's worth the risk. The Indians have a few problems with fielding.