I ask everyone to take a look at KKD Karthik Profile at Cricinfo. This kid's got talent! Has centuries, including some against Zimbabwe and Mumbai. I heard he's a big six hitter. anyway this parthiv patel is useless. He cant bat or keep (I think Dravid is a better keeper than he is). I think Karthik will be in the indian squad for holland cup bcuz a lot of people are talking about him, including sachin sourav and john wright. if he comes, indian cricket will be saved.
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KKD Karthik will replace Parthiv Patel
- Thread starter la28
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steds
Hall of Fame Member
I don't think it's fair to say that Parthiv Patel can't bat or keep as he has played test cricket and you haven't. He has also opened the batting for India. For now I think Patel is doing a sterling job for India, but if this Karthik is a big hitter maybe it would be worth seeing him play a couple of ODI's. And then decide if Indian cricket is saved.
What has Parthiv Patel done so far?
Ok this Patel has been in this team for how long? has he done anything in domestic cricket? just one century against the worst ranji team. And about his highest scores of 62 and 63 against australia and pakistan, that 62 vs australia was when india had 600 somethin runs already, there was absolutely no pressure on him and no fielders in the deep. how can u call this guy good? come on! KARTHIK HAS SCORED 96, 12*, AND 52 IN THE ZIMBABWE TOUR ALREADY. AND IF YOU WANT DOMESTIC CRICKET, HE AVERAGES 45 AND SCORED A CENTURY IN THE RANJI TROPHY SEMIFINALS TO GET TAMIL NADU INTO THE FINAL, AND THEN HE SCORED A CENTURY IN THE FINAL AGAINST MUMBAI EVEN THOUGH TAMIL NADU LOST. IN THE U-19 WORLD CUP HE SCORED 70 OF 36 BALLS. HOW IS IT FAIR THAT THIS KID WAITS FOR A CHANCE WHILE PATEL GETS A FREE PASS INTO THE TEAM? If the Indian selectors have any common sense, then karthik will get a chance in the holland cup. His name has become pretty popular.
Ok this Patel has been in this team for how long? has he done anything in domestic cricket? just one century against the worst ranji team. And about his highest scores of 62 and 63 against australia and pakistan, that 62 vs australia was when india had 600 somethin runs already, there was absolutely no pressure on him and no fielders in the deep. how can u call this guy good? come on! KARTHIK HAS SCORED 96, 12*, AND 52 IN THE ZIMBABWE TOUR ALREADY. AND IF YOU WANT DOMESTIC CRICKET, HE AVERAGES 45 AND SCORED A CENTURY IN THE RANJI TROPHY SEMIFINALS TO GET TAMIL NADU INTO THE FINAL, AND THEN HE SCORED A CENTURY IN THE FINAL AGAINST MUMBAI EVEN THOUGH TAMIL NADU LOST. IN THE U-19 WORLD CUP HE SCORED 70 OF 36 BALLS. HOW IS IT FAIR THAT THIS KID WAITS FOR A CHANCE WHILE PATEL GETS A FREE PASS INTO THE TEAM? If the Indian selectors have any common sense, then karthik will get a chance in the holland cup. His name has become pretty popular.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Dude, you need to relax a little and you dont need to type in Caps, it's considered rude.
Now coming to KKD Karthik, He may be a good player but scores against school boys of zimbabwe dont really count. You are also suffering from selective dementia, you say that Karthik has been averaging 45+ in first class at the same time you forget to mention that in list 'A' limited over matches his average is a pathetic 15.
You are also wrong when you say that Parthiv 62 came when India were already 600+, India were about 570 when he came on to bat, he scored 62 in second test in Multan when our our batsmen failed, in the 3rd test when Akash Chopra was dropped, Parthiv stepped up and opened the innings for India batted for 4 hours with Rahul Dravid after Sehwag got out for a first ball duck. He made his highest score of 69 and added 130 runs for 2nd wicket.
Now coming to KKD Karthik, He may be a good player but scores against school boys of zimbabwe dont really count. You are also suffering from selective dementia, you say that Karthik has been averaging 45+ in first class at the same time you forget to mention that in list 'A' limited over matches his average is a pathetic 15.
You are also wrong when you say that Parthiv 62 came when India were already 600+, India were about 570 when he came on to bat, he scored 62 in second test in Multan when our our batsmen failed, in the 3rd test when Akash Chopra was dropped, Parthiv stepped up and opened the innings for India batted for 4 hours with Rahul Dravid after Sehwag got out for a first ball duck. He made his highest score of 69 and added 130 runs for 2nd wicket.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
la28 said:
Does it matter if he's done anything in domestic cricket?
What credit is there for scoring a few runs in a bat-dominated domestic scene such as India?
Also, runs in domestic cricket mean very little when you get to the International stage as the mental and physical gulf is much larger than people think.
deeps
International 12th Man
nope,tis considering shouting,which is what i imagine he was doing....and i agree with the patel part..if patel was 25, he would not make the team....the team should be selected on merit,and not age.....there are lots more players out there better than patel, and it is ridicoulous after all the mistakes he's made,that he continue to be in the teamSanz said:
had mongia muffed so many stumpings,and batted like patel, mongia would be playing state cricket again
delkap
State Vice-Captain
well, karthik will hv age on his side, so that certainly cant stop him from selection.. Now considering 2 of the 3 Indian selectors are former Keepers (great ones too, Kirmani and More), it is only fair to assume they know a bit more abt keeping than us.. So there must be a reason to keep Patel..deeps said:
Anyway, if Karthik is that good, I'm sure he'll get a fair chance.. I doub't it'll be anytime soon though, cos Holland and ICC champions Trophy are pretty important, and Patel doesn't make the ODI XI anyway.. And Tests, Patel has been in a good nick.. So my guess is we'll hv to wait for this guy to come to international stage..
Craig
World Traveller
There is no winning with some people.la28 said:
He got runs, so people still have a go at him, if he didn't people would still have a go at him quicker then what it takes Maurice Greene to sprint 100m in peak form.
The guy has talent and potential, and yes he has to improve, but so does all international cricketers.
Nate
You'll Never Walk Alone
haha, why do i feel like no-one likes patel?? isnt he only 18/19 or something!?! id be giving him time... an average of 30+ for a keeper at test level is more than acceptable IMO.
i suggest you watch dravid keep then!!!! haah that is in no way justified... dravid cannot keep for pizza boxes.
Waughney
International Debutant
He hasn't really had much time to do anything in domestic cricket.la28 said:
Scores of 62 and 63 against the world champions by a keeper sounds pretty damn good to me. The 63 against Pakistan was during a very important match, he was also opening! WOW! that's some great scores against the all mighty ZIMBABWEANSla28 said:
I wouldn't take those figures too seriously. There's no doubt that he is a promising young player, but does he have the mental toughness of Patel? Patel seems to already have everthing Karthick can offer + some international experience.la28 said:
Free pass? You obviously have no knowledge of selection policies and quite frankly the Indian selectors must see more in Patel than in Karthick. His name has mainly become popular because of the hype from non-Patel supporters.la28 said:
Swervy
International Captain
Nnanden said:
i think the problem is that now Gilchrist has been on the scene for a bit, supporters of other countries cant understand why their country cant produce a similar player...people need to face up to the fact that Gilchrist is the type of player that comes around once every 20 years or so,and most teams will have to settle for a keeper who aves in the 30's (which is very respectable IMO)
Deja moo
International Captain
IMO , Gilchrist is the player he is today because he was kept waiting for so long by Healy. Let Parthiv patel play domestic cricket till people feel he has reached his full potential. I mean , why keep saying that he has soo much potential ? Let him fulfill it first in domestic cricket . There are better options for now ( Vijay Dahiya for one. What he did to merit being dropped , I cannot understand .Will the great Kirmani please explain?)
V Reddy
International Debutant
Nnanden said:
That's why i don't like his continuous selection. What has age got to do with it. Isn't Karthik off the same age? Personally i think Patel deserves his position by merit in the tests but i would give Karthik a go in the onedayers. Patel doesn't have the strength to score boundaries in the front of the wicket. He mostly scores his boundaries by guiding the ball to the third man area. While Karthik has all the range of strokes and is a fast scorer too , more suited to onedayers than Patel
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Much as Parthiv is only 19, he's not the greatest wicketkeeper available, by a long way. He's very average, and with such a 'keeper, all options should be explored, be it Nayan Mongia (far better than all the 'talented youngsters'), Vinayak Samant (dependable and rather under-rated), Ajay Ratra (fastest glovework, though not the cleanest), Vijay Dahiya (hard-hitting batsman, more experienced).