Kapil Dev vs Courtney Walsh

[Coronis]

Beefy, in typical beefy fashion, won the first test more or less alone, took 5/46 in first inning to limit India to 128 (got Vishi and Sunny) and also made 67 from 3-37 to stabilise the English inning, pitch flattened out and in tupocal beefy fashion he went for 1/101 right after taking a 5fer, but the first inning lead Botham secured won England the game (and the series). second test Botham took 1/86 and then 2/73 and 0/12 in the final test, so yeah, both bowled some mid.

Botham: 8 wkts @ 35.56
Botham: 403 runs @ 134.33, 2 tons.

Kapil: 10 @ 43.90
Kapil: 292 runs @ 73, 0 tons.

for some reason, someone thinks Kapil was better that series

9* not that that it changes anything. Botham was simply better.

 

[Johan]

9* not that that it changes anything. Botham was simply better.

True

 

[kyear2]

See his record in WI and Australia and in context Pakistan; and it's pretty Great to good. He had his limitations bowling too short in England and NZ, and that's pretty much his away weakness. Just going by averages always is kinda dumb NGL.

Either Indian pitches were flat for pacers or not, pick a lane.

Who said they weren't flat for pacers.

But as usual you deliberately miss the point.

It isn't his record in India that pulls him down.

If he averaged 21 everywhere else, he would still be seen as an ATG.

 

[Coronis]

True

Worth noting as well that his 403 runs was the highest for the series, by over 100 runs.

 

[kyear2]

Why don't you actually give your opinion here. Do you think Indian pitches are flat (for fast bowling) or not?

I've answered you.

Yes they were.

His average of 26 there isn't his issue though.

I've answered this multiple times

 

[Johan]

Worth noting as well that his 403 runs was the highest for the series, by over 100 runs.

Yup, also a pretty iconic double ton, easily the best Batsmen in the series and his bowling, while not consistent, was the deciding factor to the series more or less, Dunno what PFK smoked to genuinely think Kapil was better really.

 

[Bolo.]

Test averages of pace bowlers in India during Kapil Dev's career. Qualification 15 wickets.

Hadlee 18 wickets @ 14
Walsh 26 @ 16
Holding 30 @ 22
Dymock 24 @ 24
Marshall 36 @ 24
Botham 30 @ 25
Kapil Dev 219 @ 26
Sikander Bakht 24 @ 26
Patterson 17 @ 26
Prabhakar 19 @ 27
Imran 27 @ 28
Ghavri 58 @ 32
Clarke 21 @ 33
Binny 29 @ 33
Phillip 19 @ 34
Davis 27 @ 35
Chetan Sharma 19 @ 39
Madan Lal 19 @ 46

That is a list of numbers that I'm pretty sure everyone will manage to interpret in a way that confirms their existing position.

 

[kyear2]

Kapil was an idiot. Should've sucked at home instead and done better abroad. Also, I guarantee if that had happened, this dumbass would be arguing Kapil was overrated because he didn't bowl well on flat Indian decks and needed the seaming decks of Eng/NZ to be successful. You know I'm right.

Your bias is just out for all to see.

No one's taking away credit for his home performances you jackass.

His problem was that he was not quality too many places away from home.

You do make some **** arguments sometimes

 

[kyear2]

Beefy, in typical beefy fashion, won the first test more or less alone, took 5/46 in first inning to limit India to 128 (got Vishi and Sunny) and also made 67 from 3-37 to stabilise the English inning, pitch flattened out and in tupocal beefy fashion he went for 1/101 right after taking a 5fer, but the first inning lead Botham secured won England the game (and the series). second test Botham took 1/86 and then 2/73 and 0/12 in the final test, so yeah, both bowled some mid.

Botham: 8 wkts @ 35.56
Botham: 403 runs @ 134.33, 2 tons.

Kapil: 10 @ 43.90
Kapil: 292 runs @ 73, 0 tons.

for some reason, someone thinks Kapil was better that series

And using it strenuously in arguments.

 

[kyear2]

Test averages of pace bowlers in India during Kapil Dev's career. Qualification 15 wickets.

Hadlee 18 wickets @ 14
Walsh 26 @ 16
Holding 30 @ 22
Dymock 24 @ 24
Marshall 36 @ 24
Botham 30 @ 25
Kapil Dev 219 @ 26
Sikander Bakht 24 @ 26
Patterson 17 @ 26
Prabhakar 19 @ 27
Imran 27 @ 28
Ghavri 58 @ 32
Clarke 21 @ 33
Binny 29 @ 33
Phillip 19 @ 34
Davis 27 @ 35
Chetan Sharma 19 @ 39
Madan Lal 19 @ 46

Some interesting reading that.

Quality comes out doesn't it.

Kapil just wasn't that level of bowler.

 

[kyear2]

Kapil had a veru tough job in Pakistan but his record with the ball in England is underwhelming.

Very polite way to say poor.

 

[Coronis]

Some interesting reading that.

Quality comes out doesn't it.

Kapil just wasn't that level of bowler.

Agreed, Marshall just wasn’t him.

 

[kyear2]

Yup, also a pretty iconic double ton, easily the best Batsmen in the series and his bowling, while not consistent, was the deciding factor to the series more or less, Dunno what PFK smoked to genuinely think Kapil was better really.

But why do you even respond though.

 

[kyear2]

Agreed, Marshall just wasn’t him.

Ahhh. Context my friend.

 

[Johan]

I will say, I think as an overall player Kapil has a good record in England, as a bowler it's certainly dissapointing.

 

[kyear2]

I will say, I think as an overall player Kapil has a good record in England, as a bowler it's certainly dissapointing.

If you had to choose your no. 1 fast bowler for a series, are you choosing Walsh or Kapil.

Think it's as simple as that.

 

[Johan]

If you had to choose your no. 1 fast bowler for a series, are you choosing Walsh or Kapil.

Think it's as simple as that.

Walsh

 

[capt_Luffy]

I will say, I think as an overall player Kapil has a good record in England, as a bowler it's certainly dissapointing.

I think it's just NZ where he pulled a complete Sobers

 

[BazBall21]

Very polite way to say poor.

Yeah. It's not decent no matter how one chooses to dress it up.

 

[akilana]

Kapil fans are losing it. Not this pitches sucked is why he was mid excuse again. He was a decent bowler with limitations and is massively overrated by Indian fans.