Kallis vs Ponting as test batsmen

[Walter]

Just like this 'fact' that Kallis has scored so many runs in seaming conditions in SA, absolute rubbish.

Strange statement.

 

[GotSpin]

Lol @ mentioning Warne, as if that'd make a difference.

It's true though that Sehwag never faced McGrath in Australia.

Yeah well Warne was a touch better than Macgilla Gorilla in any case though.

It'd be interesting to see how Sehwag fares in Perth next summer considering it's got a bit of bounce back in it

 

[Jono]

Sehwag scored an awesome century againt Warne in India, even when Warne got a 5-fer. Pretty sure it was in Chennai.

But yes, Perth will be an interesting one. When India were in Perth back in 07/08 it definitely did not play like it did this year.

 

[GotSpin]

I'm not saying Sehwag would have struggled against Warne here, just that Warne was a far better option than Gorilla in any case.

I think Sehwag is fine against swing/seam because his great hands allows him to compensate for his lack of foot movement and he can still slash away successfully. But he looked truly awful when bounce was part of that too.

 

[Spark]

TBH it was quite interesting that Johnson's "bounce 'im" plan actually did work very well.

 

[Jono]

Yep. It worked in an annoying way too. He wasn't conventionally bounced out by gloving stuff to slips. He just would face a few bouncers and then slash one to point and gully or pull a half-tracker to deep square leg.

Was infuriating.

 

[Spark]

Yep. It worked in an annoying way too. He wasn't conventionally bounced out by gloving stuff to slips. He just would face a few bouncers and then slash one to point and gully or pull a half-tracker to deep square leg.

Was infuriating.

Classic Sehwag tbh.

 

[TumTum]

Yep. It worked in an annoying way too. He wasn't conventionally bounced out by gloving stuff to slips. He just would face a few bouncers and then slash one to point and gully or pull a half-tracker to deep square leg.

Was infuriating.

What I find his weakness to be is that he kinda pushes hard whilst doing a back-foot defense. Either he slices it to mid-off/cover or a leading edge which pops up in the air.

 

[Spark]

He did that once actually, 1st innings Mohali IIRC. But that was more of a work to leg.

 

[GotSpin]

What I find his weakness to be is that he kinda pushes hard whilst doing a back-foot defense. Either he slices it to mid-off/cover or a leading edge which pops up in the air.

Yeah I reckon that becomes more apparent when there's extra bounce too

 

[Teja.]

Re: Sehwag's recent woes against the short ball, The basic problem is that he does not have a good defensive technique against the short ball. This is amplified by his annoying need to be always scoring esp. against the new ball leading to some beautiful strokes which pay off for big runs and eventually and very soon some very ugly shots which sometimes pay off but most often lead to a top-edge, Him trying to defend too much is no good either, It usually leads to him mis-judging a ball which comes only chest-high and edging it to slip.

Hard to get annoyed when it's Johners taking his wicket though. WAG.

Re: The Chennai knock was absolutely top notch, There was some bounce on the wicket and Mcg and Gillespie were having incredible tours, Warne joined the party as well that Innings and it was murder from Sehwag. IIRC Hb, who was at the ground, said Sehwag was a level above any other batsman in the match. Arguably his best ton, but then Sehwag has so many freakin' awesome tons.

 

[smash84]

Re: Sehwag's recent woes against the short ball, The basic problem is that he does not have a good defensive technique against the short ball. This is amplified by his annoying need to be always scoring esp. against the new ball leading to some beautiful strokes which pay off for big runs and eventually and very soon some very ugly shots which sometimes pay off but most often lead to a top-edge, Him trying to defend too much is no good either, It usually leads to him mis-judging a ball which comes only chest-high and edging it to slip.

Hard to get annoyed when it's Johners taking his wicket though. WAG.

Re: The Chennai knock was absolutely top notch, There was some bounce on the wicket and Mcg and Gillespie were having incredible tours, Warne joined the party as well that Innings and it was murder from Sehwag. IIRC Hb, who was at the ground, said Sehwag was a level above any other batsman in the match. Arguably his best ton, but then Sehwag has so many freakin' awesome tons.

Sehwag is gun but what puzzles me is why is he so ordinary in the shorter formats of the game???

 

[Ikki]

Ponting's 80 odd vs Steyn on Day 1 of the Joburg test was one of his best test innings, ball was seaming everywhere.

Ponting's done pretty well when facing Steyn actually. In reality, was only dismissed by Steyn once and when you look at player v player comparison Ponting scored quite a bit of runs against him and at a high SR.

 

[Ikki]

Interestingly, The Ponting-Ind case is a lot similar to the Sehwag-SA case. Sehwag averages 50.23 overall against SA, 25.46 in SA, 84 at home. While I'm not denying pitches have not been a factor, Sehwag played knocks such as the one in Nagpur in early 2010 where the ball was swinging wildly and Sehwag was the only Indian bat to look comfortable - destructive, even

Pitches are probably a factor but not the sole factor. Sehwag is the kind of batsman that on the same pitch against the same set of bowlers, he could have one series averaging 100 and another averaging 30.

 

[Uppercut]

Sehwag is gun but what puzzles me is why is he so ordinary in the shorter formats of the game???

He's far from ordinary tbf, has improved a hell of a lot on his poor start.

But there's some really good stuff on the subject here from SJS.

He bats differently, however, in the ODI's which also partly explains his relative lack of success in that format. Sehwag, like every other batsman, comes to the crease in an ODI looking to bat in a more aggressive manner than he does in Tests. With other batsmen this means trying to bat as Sehwag does in Test matches, viz. more strokes, looking to hit even the good length ball and so on. But Sehwag already does all this in the longer version so he ends up throwing caution to the winds. In Test matches he does not really go berserk. He plays the ball on merit (the Sehwag definition of merit mind you) and plays it accordingly, hits it between fielders and so on. In ODI's, however, in an effort to do more he loses it completely. One doesn't see him making as many stupid strokes to get out in Test matches as one does in ODI's. Sehwag's aimless slashing and wild hoicks seems reserved especially for the shorter version.

 

[vcs]

Was infuriated with that shot Sehwag played in the 3rd over of the series to Steyn. ****ing hell, it's the biggest series in a long time, the best bowler in the world swinging it around corners, is it too much to ask to pay a bit of respect? Made it so much harder for everyone else by getting out so early.

 

[Uppercut]

Ponting's done pretty well when facing Steyn actually. In reality, was only dismissed by Steyn once and when you look at player v player comparison Ponting scored quite a bit of runs against him and at a high SR.

He also had piss-easy slip catches dropped off Steyn's bowling a couple of times though- early on at the MCG by Neil McKenzie when he went on to make a century, and by Graeme Smith at the beginning of the aforementioned epic 80~ at Joburg. The figures would give you the impression he had it all his own way against Steyn, he really didn't.

 

[Spark]

TBF an average of 40 would indicate that he didn't have it his own way either.

 

[ankitj]

Ponting's done pretty well when facing Steyn actually. In reality, was only dismissed by Steyn once and when you look at player v player comparison Ponting scored quite a bit of runs against him and at a high SR.

Exactly the number of times Wasim dismissed Tendulkar. Yet Tendulkar had to wait for Wasim's retirement to correct his record against Pak

 

[Ikki]

Exactly the number of times Wasim dismissed Tendulkar. Yet Tendulkar had to wait for Wasim's retirement to correct his record against Pak

He usually didn't bat long enough for Wasim to get him himself. IIRC, early on Waqar and Imran took a few off him and later on Saqlain. It's a good point in that it doesn't tell you with great detail how one fared against a bowler but it does say that Tendulkar struggled against the Pakistan attack - which is usually the point that is being made.

Ponting, for all his downturn of form in the last few years, still managed 41.25 in matches against Steyn (1 100, 4 50s and 3 0s) who took him once. He was generally OK against him.

He also had piss-easy slip catches dropped off Steyn's bowling a couple of times though- early on at the MCG by Neil McKenzie when he went on to make a century, and by Graeme Smith at the beginning of the aforementioned epic 80~ at Joburg. The figures would give you the impression he had it all his own way against Steyn, he really didn't.

I wouldn't say he dominated Steyn but from my calculations he scored 108 (out of 495 altogether) @ 79 against him.