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Kallis retires from Tests

Migara

International Coach
Nah I didn't intend to get into the debate. Plus I already know you think he is a great player :)

But seriously, all-round performance wise, it would be pretty darn difficult to better this special from Botham: Against India , Mumbai, 1980 - 114 and DNB + 13/106 :wub: Even though it was against India :@
I would say this from Mustaq Mohammed trumps all. Against best team of the era, or perhaps the cricketing history, captaining the side, 121 & 56, 5/28 and 3/69 to win by 266 runs. Beat that if you can.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
I would say this from Mustaq Mohammed trumps all. Against best team of the era, or perhaps the cricketing history, captaining the side, 121 & 56, 5/28 and 3/69 to win by 266 runs. Beat that if you can.
60 more runs (especially given two chances not one like Beefy) isn't more impressive than the extra 5 wickets Botham got IMO. The level of competition is a valid point though.
 

salman85

International Debutant
You can just see Cullinan..wanting to say Kallis is the best of them all,but trying oh so awfully hard to stay on the fence :D
 

kyear2

International Coach
This was Adelaide, wasn't it? Came into the attack, took three wickets in no time and looked by a distance the most dangerous bowler, then got injured.

Genuine 5th bowlers are amazingly useful. Give you flexibility, gives your bowlers a rest, means your attack never releases pressure. A huge asset in the modern game, which is the yardstick by which Kallis has to be judged.
I agree. The other thing about a good 5th bowling option is that they spread the work load for your main strikers without unduly compromising your wicket taking ability. Considering the workload and injuries suffered by fast bowlers a side would be very lucky to be able to throw the ball to a Sobers or Kallis for 15 overs. Morkel and Steyn have been more resilient than most fast bowlers and you wonder if Kallis' presence has played a part.
Both excellent posts. Though not a necessity, no matter how a good a team is, a batting all rounder just adds that extra dimension and flexibility of a quality 5th bowler for all of the reasons articulated above. Additionally the team also doesn't have to sacrifice a specialist batsman in the top order to be able to achieve that flexibility (as with an Ian Botham for example).

On the other hand if a team is constantly depending on their No. 8 batsman to bail them out of trouble or to save matches then the team has much bigger problems with the top order. Additionally, unless said bowling all rounder is able to legitimately bat in the top 6/7, they still don't offer the flexibility of 5 bowlers and you are still left with the original four.
That being said, it's always a plus to have some additional batting depth, but Marshall and Warne have both demonstrated over their careers that they are more than capable of filling that role and doing so for the two best teams in history.

So in a hypothetical scenario where only one all rounder could be used, it's little doubt which one would more value and Kallis almost without exception did it better than anyone. He (as did Sobers and Hammond and to a lesser extent Chappell and Simpson) also added sublime slip catching to their ATG batting and very good bowling, he was a factor in every significant factor of the game.

It's no secret that I was not a fan of Kallis's style, but it's impossible to deny how much he meant to South African cricket and to the success of the team for the past 166 games. He was truly unique and will be nearly impossible to replace.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If Kallis was Indian, he's be deified by the nation

If he was Australian, we'd erect a statue outside one of our grounds

If he was English, he'd be knighted

Because he's a Saffer and there aren't many on this site, some CWers are questioning the value of 13000 runs @ 55, 290 odd wickets and nearly 200 catches

Every team in history would bend over to have a player who could achieve one of those things on their books
 

ankitj

Hall of Fame Member
Simply put, if you have only one all rounder in the team, you'd rather have a batting all rounder. Any additional all rounders should rather be bowling all rounders.
 

steve132

U19 Debutant
A fifth front line bowler is an extremely valuable asset for any captain even if you assume an outstanding bowling attack such as an all time WI or SA team. To take Cricinfo's selections, for example, the WI attack would consist of Marshall, Ambrose, Holding, Sobers and Gibbs. One of the main objectives of any captain lucky enough to lead such a team would want to keep his fast bowlers fresh, using them in short spells so that at least one of them is always available. Gibbs, the spinner, would be the stock bowler, bowling very accurately on good wickets and becoming a potential match winner if the pitch takes spin. This approach can work only if you have a fifth front line bowler to do the unglamorous but necessary tasks of bowling into the wind and with the old ball. In this attack Sobers would probably get through as many overs as the fast men. Without him a captain would be forced to use at least one of the fast bowlers as a stock bowler rather than a strike bowler, and that would reduce the attack's effectiveness significantly.

The same considerations apply to an an all time SA team, the only difference being that South Africa, due to their wealth of all rounders, would have a sixth front line bowler, the leg spinner Aubrey Faulkner. A captain would want to keep Donald, Shaun Pollock and Procter fresh by bowling them in short spells, with Tayfield as the main spinner. Kallis as the fourth seamer would come on as the second change bowler, bowling into the wind. Due to Faulkner's presence he probably would not bowl quite as many overs for SA as Sobers would for WI, but - especially on pitches favoring seam bowling - he would be an important member of the bowling attack. It's much, much better to be able to call on someone like Kallis as a fifth bowler than to have to rely on batsmen who are at best occasional bowlers.
 

Energetic

U19 Cricketer
One of the greats to have played Test Cricket. His stats speaks for itself. The greatest all-rounder ever in my opinion. A true gentleman Mr Kallis.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Kallis is improving his already obscenely high batting average in his last test - what a boring, selfish bastard he is
 

Riggins

International Captain
Jeez he's special. He's obviously retiring because he doesn't think there's any challenge left in test cricket. Can someone please see if he'll come and play for us for the new challenge.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
If Kallis was Indian, he's be deified by the nation

If he was Australian, we'd erect a statue outside one of our grounds

If he was English, he'd be knighted

Because he's a Saffer and there aren't many on this site, some CWers are questioning the value of 13000 runs @ 55, 290 odd wickets and nearly 200 catches

Every team in history would bend over to have a player who could achieve one of those things on their books
Its ridiculous.

I haven't wanted to read much of this thread because of the **** that I knew would be written about him. Glad I popped in to see this post. Its just so so true.
 

Spikey

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fearful for the terrible article that will written by conn if kallis tons up here (although he's probably done enough to have an article written anyway)
 

theegyptian

International Vice-Captain
Didn't fancy facing Johnson clearly. Least Swann had the balls to get through 3 tests.

This current innings symptomatic of his whole career and why he isn't loved in the same way as other greats. A Ponting or Lara would have pushed on and try and put their country in a better position maybe to the detriment of their own performance. Kallis just plods along. Great player but rarely inspiring.
 

Riggins

International Captain
fearful for the terrible article that will written by conn if kallis tons up here (although he's probably done enough to have an article written anyway)
did you read his article about kallis retiring because he was scared of the aus attack? might have been the worst article i've ever read on any topic.
 

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