Jack Hobbs (Post-War) vs Herbert Sutcliffe

[Johan]

Who was the better test Batsmen? Hobbs's pre war career is to be ignored to make this close.

 

[DrWolverine]

 

[Coronis]

No comment

 

[Johan]

Hobbs played fast bowling better, Sutcliffe played spin better.

 

[Johan]

Sutcliffe talking about post-War Hobbs

Herbert Sutcliffe: "I was his partner on many occasions on extremely bad wickets, and I can say this without any doubt whatever that he was the most brilliant exponent of all time, and quite the best batsman of my generation on all types of wickets. On good wickets I do believe that pride of place should be given to Sir Don Bradman. I had a long and happy association with Sir Jack and can testify to his fine character. A regular church-goer, he seldom missed the opportunity to attend church service on Sunday mornings both in England and abroad. He was a man of the highest integrity who believed in sportmanship in the highest sense, teamwork, fair-play and clean-living. His life was full of everything noble and true."

This wasn't an unpopular opinion to view even Post War Hobbs as the best, Learie Constantine shared this view, rating him above Sutcliffe, Hammond and Headley.

Constantine expressed his wish to bowl at Bradman, for the ‘experience and education’ it would offer, explaining how English batsmen Jack Hobbs was ‘the best of all those I have bowled against.’

Fingleton considered him the most technically flawless batsmen too and he'd have seen Hammond in 32/33, Nourse in 35-36 and Hutton in 38.

"Although figures indicate the greatness of Hobbs, they don't convey the grandeur of his batting, his faultless technique and the manner in which he could captivate those who could recognise and analyse style. Australians who played against him believe cricket never produced a more correct batsman"

seems like Post-War, Hobbs was still on par with Sutcliffe or Hammond instead of being behind them.

 

[DrWolverine]

Peer rating is meaningless when one batsman is averaging 55 and the other one is averaging 99

 

[Johan]

Peer rating is meaningless when one batsman is averaging 55 and the other one is averaging 99

Sutcliffe is not averaging 99.

 

[DrWolverine]

I meant Bradman

 

[vidiq]

@Johan
Can you Rank punter, Kohli, Amla, kp and ABD?
Kp and amla are close to Kohli or not?

 

[Johan]

@Johan
Can you Rank punter, Kohli, Amla, kp and ABD?
Kp and amla are close to Kohli or not?

1. Ricky Ponting

2. AB De Villiers
3. Virat Kohli
4. Hashim Amla
5. Kevin Pietersen

I'd say Amla is close to Kohli

 

[sayon basak]

I meant Bradman

On tougher wickets, I don't know how you can disagree with Sutcliffe.

 

[Coronis]

On tougher wickets, I don't know how you can disagree with Sutcliffe.

I mean the Fingleton quote pretty much says it all, no?

"Although figures indicate the greatness of Hobbs, they don't convey the grandeur of his batting, his faultless technique and the manner in which he could captivate those who could recognise and analyse style. Australians who played against him believe cricket never produced a more correct batsman"

As a great believer of peer rating himself, he perfectly elucidates the peer rating argument here.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

I’ll say Sutcliffe. The old man was past his peak at this context. Still one of the 15-20 best batsman ever after War. Sutcliffe on the other hand was young, fresh guy coming up to be the finest batsman in the world. I have Sutcliffe no.10 (9) not counting Pre-War Hobbs. Post War Hobbs would be lower than that 100%. Overall career wise probably the best batsman ever bar Bradman.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

 

[Coronis]

I’ll say Sutcliffe. The old man was past his peak at this context. Still one of the 15-20 best batsman ever after War. Sutcliffe on the other hand was young, fresh guy coming up to be the finest batsman in the world. I have Sutcliffe no.10 (9) not counting Pre-War Hobbs. Post War Hobbs would be lower than that 100%. Overall career wise probably the best batsman ever bar Bradman.

Young Sutcliffe debuting at 29

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Young Sutcliffe debuting at 29

I knew that but that’s still lot young compare to Hobbs. Hobbs would have been around 39 iirc at the 1921 when cricket began. He was way past his peak.

 

[Coronis]

Who is the greatest cricketer to debut after 30? Hussey?

I know Sutcliffe was 29 and Barnes was 28.

 

[DrWolverine]

Who is the greatest cricketer to debut after 30? Hussey?

Clarrie Grimmett. 33 years.

 

[Coronis]

Clarrie Grimmett. 33 years.

Oh man how could I forget Grum. Very poor form from me.

 

[DrWolverine]

Adam Gilchrist made his test debut at age of 28.

It’s so strange that a man who is picked ahead of Sachin & Marshall in ATG team made his debut at 28