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Virat Kohli (c)
what tour? India haven't toured England since 2007, other than a one-off Lord's test in 2014.
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I've had enough, Virat Kohli.......
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I don't think anyone is denying that Kohli has some catching up to do in terms of consistent run scoring to push his average up, but it's silly to suggest that because he doesn't average as much, his skill level is below the 3.
The one area Kohli was struggling with was his ability to make big hundreds, and he's starting to rectify that in his last few series. It's also interesting to note that Kohli has not played as much innings at home as compared to the other 3, in fact both Smith and Root have benefited more from playing at home and racking up the runs, that's not to criticize them of course, but I do feel that within the next year or so the distance in averages will lessen with Kohli getting a chance to play some home tests after having played overseas for the last few years.
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Kohli is more than good enough. Not sure about captain, but he's a freak batsman.
Black_Warrior
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No I am not. But I am questioning the criteria. If the criteria is current as in yesterday, Smith, Warner, AB don't get in. WTF is Morkel doing there?
If Current means last two years, Cook doesn't get in ahead of Hafeez and Azhar and neither does Kohli ahead of KW. This is not to say Hafeez and Azhar are better than Cook.I just posted in the series thread that Hafeez should be dropped. But the guy averages 61 in 2014, and 59 in 2015. So if we're dropping him based on his series in England, why is Warner in SL not a problem then?
Cook hasn't always been the highest scorer in the last 2 years but we know he is the best opener in the world, so we pick him. But based on the same argument, YK, despite not having a great series, should have been picked given what a great batsman he is.
Given the state of test cricket at the moment without a dominant side, I would have liked two teams, one for Asia and another for ROW.
In Asia you play two spinners. ROW, you play Steyn, Broad and Anderson.
This. If anything, I feel Kohli is hugely underrated as a test batsman. Does he have a compelling case to be in Current Test XI ahead of KW, Root and Smith? No.
But is he a lesser batsman than them? Hell no.
People should be careful what they post about this guy now because his average of 45 and his stats in England are not going to stay that way. If those are your arguments to knock him down, it's just a matter of time before they are corrected.
Ponting and Kallis did not average 50 plus in the 90s and neither did Chanderpaul. He is at a stage in his career where his numbers are going to change a great deal over the next few years.
Given Trent is from Northern Districts, yes.
Shady Slim
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-the fact that steve smith's a ****
Black_Warrior
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Current Test XI for Asia
Cook
Amla
Azhar
YK
Root
Matthews
Sarfraz
Ashwin
Herath
Steyn
Anderson
ROW XI
Cook
Warner
KW
Smith
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Yasir
Broad
Anderson
Steyn
Cook
Amla
Azhar
YK
Root
Matthews
Sarfraz
Ashwin
Herath
Steyn
Anderson
ROW XI
Cook
Warner
KW
Smith
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Yasir
Broad
Anderson
Steyn
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Something Kohli is now doing.
Williamson owes his average going above 50 to playing Zimbabwe btw. I'm not a fan of the 'well if you remove his scores against X nation he averages Y' arguments but Zimbabwe are a ****ing joke at the moment.
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Meanwhile, almost every batsman's average reduces when you remove minnows or the weaker sides. Kind of obvious thing to say.
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It's still weird though because Howe made a big deal of KW's average being above 50 when literally a few days before playing Zimbabwe, it was sub 50.
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You've missed the point. KW didn't have an average over 50 until he played Zimbabwe, so to give that as the reason for KW being distinctly better is weak.
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Be more distinct please
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I guess it must have gone above 50 after that ridiculous 2015, ending with that masterclass 4th innings ton against SL, and then dipped below again after the poor-ish return in the recent series loss to the Aussies, with the runs above Zimbabwe taking it back above.
Either way, using averages and arbitrary benchmarks to separate them at this juncture in their developing careers is a pointless exercise.
I'll admit that Virat hasn't had an extended golden period in Tests like the other three though (unless the 4 matches in Australia count), but we all know he is capable of it. I just hope captaincy doesn't weigh him down.
Either way, using averages and arbitrary benchmarks to separate them at this juncture in their developing careers is a pointless exercise.
I'll admit that Virat hasn't had an extended golden period in Tests like the other three though (unless the 4 matches in Australia count), but we all know he is capable of it. I just hope captaincy doesn't weigh him down.
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It should be noted that Kane's average is sub 40 v England, SA, Pakistan and India, and he's played a fair few innings against all of them. Kohli is crap v England but has 60+ averages against Australia and us, and 47 v SA - without the ability to boost an average at all v Zim and having only played Bangladesh twice.
I mean, anyone can shake down the stats any way they want. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one - some smell nice to some, some smell ****** to others. So argue on, my friends.
I mean, anyone can shake down the stats any way they want. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one - some smell nice to some, some smell ****** to others. So argue on, my friends.
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Kohli deserves his fair share of flak for being a walking wicket in England. He also deserves immense credit for having those great series in SA and Australia. Those two series performances were arguably better than any series the other three have had.
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