"It's all White here" slogan angers West Indies

[Goughy]

He is right though.

This is 'simple things made complicated' by people that have zero perspective.

It is the correct use of the word and in a cricket context. There is no racial aspect to this apart from the fact that the same word happens to be also used to describe a part of the population. Completely ignoring that it is clearly talking about cricket clothing

People need to focus on real issues rather than making things up. This is the height of immature trouble causing and seeking conflict and drama (it very drama queenish).

Comparing the use of white to **** or Jap is laughable. One is a common English language word that in this case, and millions of others, has absolutely no relevance to race. **** and Jap obviously have ethnic origins.

This is pretty much trouble causing by people that have nothing better to do than bitch and whine about none events.

 

[NZTailender]

And what did the players say about it? Were they offended or did they find it harmless/amusing?

Difference here is the West Indies Player Association have found it offensive and have complained.

This is different to the time, for example, rainbow penguins were renamed because they thought it might offend homosexuals.

 

[archie mac]

Because that was really more of a compliment than an insult?

Does no one else think that "It's all white here" conjures up an image of anyone other than white people being not welcome?

Yes it was a compliment but people could be confused in the same manner, but once it is explained to someone then what is the concern?

They meant nothing racist, just a misunderstanding, or am I missing something?

 

[NZTailender]

He is right though.

This is 'simple things made complicated' by people that have zero perspective.

It is the correct use of the word and in a cricket context. There is no racial aspect to this apart from the fact that the same word happens to be also used to describe a part of the population. Completely ignoring that it is clearly talking about cricket clothing

People need to focus on real issues rather than making things up. This is the height of immature trouble causing and seeking conflict and drama (it very drama queenish).

For starters, it's not clearly talking about cricket clothing. Like I said earlier, when I first heard it I didn't make any connection to all to cricket, and neither did quite a few people who live here, and neither have a few other people around the world.
Once you find out it's a reference to cricket whites, it becomes clear there is no intention of being racist.

Therefore, no-one should find it offensive?

Comparing the use of white to **** or Jap is laughable. One is a common English language word that in this case, and millions of others, has absolutely no relevance to race. **** and Jap obviously have ethnic origins.

This is pretty much trouble causing by people that have nothing better to do than bitch and whine about none events.

But if someone say **** or Jap but their intention is innocent, as they were using a shortened form rather than saying Pakistani or Japanese, it's okay and Pakistani or Japanese people shouldn't find the use of those words offensive?

 

[archie mac]

And what did the players say about it? Were they offended or did they find it harmless/amusing?

Difference here is the West Indies Player Association have found it offensive and have complained.

This is different to the time, for example, rainbow penguins were renamed because they thought it might offend homosexuals.

If they are offended, change it, but you can see they meant nothing by it. I can't see the concern. Simply say we meant nothing by it, but will change it

I just can't see why the big fuss

 

[NZTailender]

Yes it was a compliment but people could be confused in the same manner, but once it is explained to someone then what is the concern?

They meant nothing racist, just a misunderstanding, or am I missing something?

It's a misunderstanding, but saying 'It's All White Here' is still a loaded phrase. It doesn't mention cricket at all in an obvious way. It's a stupid phrase they chose and it should not be used.

 

[archie mac]

For starters, it's not clearly talking about cricket clothing. Like I said earlier, when I first heard it I didn't make any connection to all to cricket, and neither did quite a few people who live here, and neither have a few other people around the world.
Once you find out it's a reference to cricket whites, it becomes clear there is no intention of being racist.

Therefore, no-one should find it offensive?



But if someone say **** or Jap but their intention is innocent, as they were using a shortened form rather than saying Pakistani or Japanese, it's okay and Pakistani or Japanese people shouldn't find the use of those words offensive?

If they are offended and say so, and people stop using it, fine end of story. But if they say they are offended and people keep using the term then fine really complain

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Does no one else think that "It's all white here" conjures up an image of anyone other than white people being not welcome?

No, I don't.

I know its a touchy subject, so I am not gonna say too much more.

Last words - ""Curing racism is a two-way deal".

*signs off*

 

[Smudge]

I will not deny it's a campaign that has missed the mark badly, but.... there are mitigating factors.

Clearly something of the storm in a teacup about this, but the phrase "It's all white here" does bring to mind the catchphrase of family entertainer/owner of swimming pool where ***ually injured corpses are discovered Michael Barrymore, so should be banned forthwith.

The phrase is (obviously to me at least being a former Dunedin resident) a play on Dunedin's old marketing slogan which was "It's All Right Here", replaced with a ****ty "I Am Dunedin" slogan about 10 years ago.

There's not a vast amount of Maori in the South Island in general. However, I was speaking to a Maori last night and he said that whatever way he looked at it, the slogan could easily be construed as racist.

Shrug.

BJ? But he can't sing, ergo he cannot be a Maori./stereotype

That doesn't mean its necessarily appropriate.

Oh, FFS. Try doing so research before getting on your high horse. The All Whites are called the All Whites because (until the occasional game a couple of years ago) they always wore only white clothing. Or is the wearing of white clothing just one step away from the Ku Klux Klan as well?

 

[NZTailender]

If they are offended and say so, and people stop using it, fine end of story. But if they say they are offended and people keep using the term then fine really complain

Is that not what's happening here? The few things I've read on it online and in the paper is that people have been offended by this.

 

[archie mac]

Is that not what's happening here? The few things I've read on it online and in the paper is that people have been offended by this.

Yes, and they have agree to drop the idea? So that is the end of it, as far as I can see

 

[NZTailender]

Yes, and they have agree to drop the idea? So that is the end of it, as far as I can see

I think they are dropping it. Not 100% sure.

 

[fredfertang]

These sort of stories always frustrate me – thirty years ago when I was growing up racism was endemic in UK society and the fact that it no longer is after just one generation is a credit to those who started to stamp on these “ambiguous” comments in the 70’s.

The trouble is for those same people to continue to do so now in my view just perpetuates the idea of racism and is totally unhelpful - there are plenty of words that have fallen out of common usage (and indeed their use criminalised) but you can’t expunge words like black, white or coloured from any language so I do wish the bleeding hearts would stop trying.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

These sort of stories always frustrate me – thirty years ago when I was growing up racism was endemic in UK society and the fact that it no longer is after just one generation is a credit to those who started to stamp on these “ambiguous” comments in the 70’s.

The trouble is for those same people to continue to do so now in my view just perpetuates the idea of racism and is totally unhelpful - there are plenty of words that have fallen out of common usage (and indeed their use criminalised) but you can’t expunge words like black, white or coloured from any language so I do wish the bleeding hearts would stop trying.

This is what I was trying to say. Now its been said there is no need for me to stumble my way through it again.

 

[nightprowler10]

The trouble is for those same people to continue to do so now in my view just perpetuates the idea of racism and is totally unhelpful - there are plenty of words that have fallen out of common usage (and indeed their use criminalised) but you can’t expunge words like black, white or coloured from any language so I do wish the bleeding hearts would stop trying.

From what I understand though, the way the ad was used, it was very misleading and not at all obvious what they meant. Its not like anybody here is arguing that the word white should be gotten rid of just that when used in such a manner people should use some ****ing tact. Really the discrimination period isn't exactly old or even over so its only natural certain people will offended.

 

[Craig]

Because that was really more of a compliment than an insult?

Does no one else think that "It's all white here" conjures up an image of anyone other than white people being not welcome?

So we are to assume that the average punter has no idea it has anything to do with cricket? I don't think has anything to do with black people not being welcome since I know the context, but if had NFI about cricket (ie from another country where cricket is not played or is a rather very very minor sport), then I guess I might think differently. I have no idea though as I am not in that situation.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Was doing some (unsuccessful) googling for some images to place the slogan in context, stumbled upon this thread on a different forum wherin the same topic is being debated. Some excerpts from their discussion:

"New Zealanders are weirdos. I wouldnt take anything they say to heart."


"One would think that West Indian cricket faced greater problems."


"I thought it was more a play on words for the Kiwis' benefit Oxy - because Carisbrook Park in Dunedin has been a fortress for the All Blacks, maybe they decided to flip it and say "all white" because cricket uniforms are white. But definitely it wasn't the smartest thing to do. But we all know saying "stupid Kiwi" is a tautology!"


"I reckon the slogan just refers to sheep anyway (white wool). "There's nothing but sheep here.""


"Actually, there are a lot of similarities between NZ rugby fans and Indian cricket fans - both totally obsessed with their team to the point of fanaticism. Both become incandescently euphoric at victories and morosely depressed at losses. The NZ economy actually suffers after each rugby World Cup loss - stock market (with all 5 stocks in it) drops, shops are closed, nobody is buying anything."


"Kiwis are not racist, theyre just stupid and not as talented"


"I think stupid pretty much sums up the worldwide feelings for the Kiwis. I mean, their PM is a girl...."

 

[fredfertang]

Indeed - stick to ***ism - its safer!

 

[Craig]

Was doing some (unsuccessful) googling for some images to place the slogan in context, stumbled upon this thread on a different forum wherin the same topic is being debated. Some excerpts from their discussion:

"New Zealanders are weirdos. I wouldnt take anything they say to heart."


"One would think that West Indian cricket faced greater problems."


"I thought it was more a play on words for the Kiwis' benefit Oxy - because Carisbrook Park in Dunedin has been a fortress for the All Blacks, maybe they decided to flip it and say "all white" because cricket uniforms are white. But definitely it wasn't the smartest thing to do. But we all know saying "stupid Kiwi" is a tautology!"


"I reckon the slogan just refers to sheep anyway (white wool). "There's nothing but sheep here.""


"Actually, there are a lot of similarities between NZ rugby fans and Indian cricket fans - both totally obsessed with their team to the point of fanaticism. Both become incandescently euphoric at victories and morosely depressed at losses. The NZ economy actually suffers after each rugby World Cup loss - stock market (with all 5 stocks in it) drops, shops are closed, nobody is buying anything."


"Kiwis are not racist, theyre just stupid and not as talented"


"I think stupid pretty much sums up the worldwide feelings for the Kiwis. I mean, their PM is a girl...."

Know's something about John Key that we don't?

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

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