It was 20 years ago yesterday...

[Daemon]

Just got dropped for the 3rd test in Pakistan.
I guess they should fire Baz and Stokesy.

You're not getting them back dude

 

[Prince EWS]

So we are allowed to ignore 10 years of a player’s career if it suits us? Anyway he still has a worse away average than literally every ATG pacer over that period.

I do think the longer someone plays the more we should be able to forgive a poor start or a poor finish when comparing them to players with shorter careers. Early Jimmy wasn't very good but he's made up for that by having a proper-length ATG career as an ATG-standard bowler since then. A better team just wouldn't have picked him until he was ready, and he'd have 400 wickets @ 23 instead of 675 @ 26.

 

[Burgey]

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[Burgey]

I do think the longer someone plays the more we should be able to forgive a poor start or a poor finish when comparing them to players with shorter careers. Early Jimmy wasn't very good but he's made up for that by having a proper-length ATG career as an ATG-standard bowler since then. A better team just wouldn't have picked him until he was ready, and he'd have 400 wickets @ 23 instead of 675 @ 26.

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[Fuller Pilch]

You're not getting them back dude

Don't need Stokes (or any other allrounders) as we've got Michael Bracewell

 

[ZK$]

So we are allowed to ignore 10 years of a player’s career if it suits us?

If there’s still a full career left over, then sure lol.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I do think the longer someone plays the more we should be able to forgive a poor start or a poor finish when comparing them to players with shorter careers. Early Jimmy wasn't very good but he's made up for that by having a proper-length ATG career as an ATG-standard bowler since then. A better team just wouldn't have picked him until he was ready, and he'd have 400 wickets @ 23 instead of 675 @ 26.

But even in that time (since 2012) he's averaged in Aus 32.69, NZ 31.66, SA 30.00 & Ind 29.33.

There would be question marks for an ATG bowler with those returns

 

[Prince EWS]

But even in that time (since 2012) he's averaged in Aus 32.69, NZ 31.66, SA 30.00 & Ind 29.33.

There would be question marks for an ATG bowler with those returns

Yeah but only from people doing a dumb analysis by checklist thing so they can be safely ignored.

 

[Burgey]

You can't average 30 odd at your peak in four test playing countries and have that peak be described as ATG-worthy. To suggest you can is buffoonery of the highest order.

 

[Spark]

Sure you can, if you win series with those contributions. If your 30 average results in away series wins then who cares?

 

[Xix2565]

So Temba Bavuma is a better seamer in Australian conditions than peak Anderson.

I mean 1 wicket is basically useless.

 

[Burgey]

If you're averaging 30 plus as a strike bowler though you won't be winning many series. This is like saying Warner and Harris helped Aus retain the Ashes in 2019 despite averaging five or whatever. You don't get participation trophies at test level. Sides often win despite certain players, not because of them.

 

[Burgey]

So many Pommy apologists with the "Ooooh Jimmy was excellent in that series where he averaged 50 with the ball and we got dicked 4-0. Kept it really tight and was hard to score off."

Suck me off, just acknowledge the bloke was ordinary ffs

 

[Athlai]

Broad's record away against those 3 countries is slightly better in that time period.

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[Xix2565]

I think as far as strike bowlers go people should recognise that he stops becoming one outside of seam/swing friendly conditions in comparisons. How you take that is up to you.

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[ZK$]

What’s the batting equivalent of a bowling average of 30? 40?

 

[Burgey]

I think as far as strike bowlers go people should recognise that he stops becoming one outside of seam/swing friendly conditions in comparisons. How you take that is up to you.

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I take it as a limitation on his right to be considered an ATG-level bowler, even at his peak. For the same reason Hussey isn't considered one despite averaging a billion in conditions which suited him down to the ground.

 

[ashley bach]

So many Pommy apologists with the "Ooooh Jimmy was excellent in that series where he averaged 50 with the ball and we got dicked 4-0. Kept it really tight and was hard to score off."

Suck me off, just acknowledge the bloke was ordinary ffs

Jimmy Greaterson

 

[Burgey]

What’s the batting equivalent of a bowling average of 30? 40?

Nah it would have to be less than that. 40 was traditionally considered the mark of an ATVG player. I don't think you'd say the same about a bowler averaging 30. Others may differ though, pretty subjective I guess.

 

[Athlai]

Anderson is undeniably an ATG bowler imo. He is not even close to the very top of that class though. Sorta like the bowling version of Border or Waugh