Is Warne better than Muralitharan?

[Rik]

Jayasuriya, Atapattu, Jayawardene, Tillikeratne, Sangakkara, not strong???:rolleyes:

Compared to Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Martyn, Lehmann, Gilchrist? No. They Sri Lanka's isn't weak but compared to an Australia side who have 4 of the top 7 who average over 50 and have played more than 15 Tests each. Add to that, Langer and Martyn average 44.57 from 72 Tests and 47.00 from 40 respectively.

Sri Lanka's top 6 (Atapattu, Sangakkara, Jayawardne, Dilshan, Jayasuriya, Tillakaratne) are as follows:

Atapattu: 37.80 from 69
Sangakkara: 45.39 from 34
Jayawardne: 48.96 from 55
Jayasuriya: 41.08 from 84
Dilshan: 38.13 from 13
Tillakaratne: 43.01 from 81

And Australia:

Langer: 44.57 from 72
Hayden: 58.97 from 51
Ponting: 55.37 from 72
Martyn:47.00 from 40
Lehmann: 53.95 from 16
Symonds has only played one Test.
Gilchrist at 7: 53.77 from 52

Now, who would you rather bowl against?

 

[Swervy]

Compared to Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Martyn, Lehmann, Gilchrist? No. They Sri Lanka's isn't weak but compared to an Australia side who have 4 of the top 7 who average over 50 and have played more than 15 Tests each. Add to that, Langer and Martyn average 44.57 from 72 Tests and 47.00 from 40 respectively.

Sri Lanka's top 6 (Atapattu, Sangakkara, Jayawardne, Dilshan, Jayasuriya, Tillakaratne) are as follows:

Atapattu: 37.80 from 69
Sangakkara: 45.39 from 34
Jayawardne: 48.96 from 55
Jayasuriya: 41.08 from 84
Dilshan: 38.13 from 13
Tillakaratne: 43.01 from 81

And Australia:

Langer: 44.57 from 72
Hayden: 58.97 from 51
Ponting: 55.37 from 72
Martyn:47.00 from 40
Lehmann: 53.95 from 16
Symonds has only played one Test.
Gilchrist at 7: 53.77 from 52

Now, who would you rather bowl against?

some might suggest that a spinner would prefer to bowl to Australia

 

[aussiefan]

Hurray India wins the first match

Nice to nehra bowl such an over like that. he has showed that he is capable of some thing.

COMMON INDIA

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

[Rik]

some might suggest that a spinner would prefer to bowl to Australia

Very true, especially in the case of Gilchrist or Ponting. But I would still say Australia are a much more difficult proposition, the quality in their lineup is undeniable. Just points to me the stupidity of this arguement. Murali has the better record and I feel is the better bowler, but other people don't, and a war of stats won't prove anything. Certainly nothing said in here is going to change anyone's view, we've all given our views and that's as far as this can go. It's certainly not a constructive arguement in which proof can be brought up to prove people wrong, such as Murali's action. But then again, people will allways feel what they feel and choose to disagree with the "Evidence." But considering this is ICC approved "Evidence" I'm not surprised by their view, I wouldn't trust the ICC on anything.

 

[a massive zebra]

To say Murali was better or what ever in this test coz he got 11 wickets compared to Warnes 10 is silly...Murali was gifted at least 3 of those in the run chase at the end.

I was not implying that Murali bowled better in this test. The point I was trying to make was that it is stupid to say that Warne is the better bowler on the basis of one match in which Muralitharan took 11 wickets.

 

[biased indian]

To say Murali was better or what ever in this test coz he got 11 wickets compared to Warnes 10 is silly...Murali was gifted at least 3 of those in the run chase at the end.

Every batsmen try to score runs even in the ball he got out.
its to bowlers credit if he got him out.what ever the situation may be.

if u don't consider these type of wickets then warne record aganist india will be double as bad as it is now.Because all most all of his wicket were got in this way.

Or if u are sure the aussie gifted their wicket may be they know
some of the bookies

 

[Rik]

To say Murali was better or what ever in this test coz he got 11 wickets compared to Warnes 10 is silly...Murali was gifted at least 3 of those in the run chase at the end.

Murali may have been gifted a few, but I find it hard to believe that Warne didn't have just as many gifted to him from poor shots when Sri Lanka collapsed like a pack of cards! Actually I remember one example, Murali himself! Warne bowls, Murali runs down the pitch, misses it by miles and is stumped, 10 in the match for Warne and Australia win.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Oh, yes, Murali is god, he managed to take 5-160odd on one of the spinniest wickets ever, oh yes.

 

[Rik]

Oh, yes, Murali is god, he managed to take 5-160odd on one of the spinniest wickets ever, oh yes.

If your talking about the innings I think you are, he was injured. The last time Warne bowled 50 overs in an innings he went for 164 against South Africa, but although I can't remember the opposition (probably England), Murali only went for 88. It was a comparison, arn't we allowed to use those? Warne doesn't bowl as many overs as Murali, and a lot of people are saying Murali only takes more wickets because he bowls more overs. Warne took 7-164, which shows he could take wickets but also tends to tire and bowl erratically. Murali tends to keep the pressure on and turn in fantastically economical figures.

 

[Tom Halsey]

What relevance does that hold to my statement?

I was talking about the 2nd innings of the recently comppleted Test.

 

[Rik]

What relevance does that hold to my statement?

I was talking about the 2nd innings of the recently comppleted Test.

Ok, then I got it wrong. But mentioning a bowling performance against the best batting side in the world proves nothing. Get this:

Murali Match Figures:
77.3-14-212-11

Warne Match Figures:
57.4-14-159-10

Now, take into account the batting lineups:

Sri Lanka's top 6 (Atapattu, Sangakkara, Jayawardne, Dilshan, Jayasuriya, Tillakaratne) are as follows:

Atapattu: 37.80 from 69
Sangakkara: 45.39 from 34
Jayawardne: 48.96 from 55
Jayasuriya: 41.08 from 84
Dilshan: 38.13 from 13
Tillakaratne: 43.01 from 81

And Australia:

Langer: 44.57 from 72
Hayden: 58.97 from 51
Ponting: 55.37 from 72
Martyn:47.00 from 40
Lehmann: 53.95 from 16
Symonds has only played one Test.
Gilchrist at 7: 53.77 from 52

Well?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Point well stated Rik.

 

[Top_Cat]

Sorry Rik, I just couldn't let you win the argument that easy :

Sri Lanka's top 6 at Galle

Atapattu: 10M, 778 runs, 2 100's, 4 50's, ave 64.83

Sangakkara: 7M, 530 runs, 2 100's, 3 50's, ave 58.88

Jayawardene: 10M, 934 runs, 2 100's, 6 50's, ave 77.83

Jayasuriya: 10M, 574 runs, 2 100's, 0 50's, ave 41.00

Etc. (okay so Tillikeratne's performance breaks my theory a bit; SHOVE IT )

The point is, whilst SL's batsmens' records can hardly be called spectacular overall, Galle is one place where they play as well as anyone, including the Aussie top 6.

In fact, Galle is a real graveyard for visiting teams; the recent loss was the first wasn't it? And out of 10 Tests, 6 have been won by an innings I believe (maybe 4?). That's pretty significant. The SL top 6 in Galle or Kandy is as tough a bowling challenge as there exists (which is likely why they made it the first match of the series; I doubt they seriously considered that they'd lose) and let's not talk again about a certain bowler who gets certain advantages bowling there.

Bowling to the SL top 6 is like the Indian top 6 in Calcutta, the Aussie top 6 in Brisbane or the English top 6........errrr.........hang on.

Forget I said anything.

 

[age_master]

Sorry Rik, I just couldn't let you win the argument that easy :

Sri Lanka's top 6 at Galle

Atapattu: 10M, 778 runs, 2 100's, 4 50's, ave 64.83

Sangakkara: 7M, 530 runs, 2 100's, 3 50's, ave 58.88

Jayawardene: 10M, 934 runs, 2 100's, 6 50's, ave 77.83

Jayasuriya: 10M, 574 runs, 2 100's, 0 50's, ave 41.00

quite impressive

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Sri Lanka's top 6 at Galle

Atapattu: 10M, 778 runs, 2 100's, 4 50's, ave 64.83

Sangakkara: 7M, 530 runs, 2 100's, 3 50's, ave 58.88

Jayawardene: 10M, 934 runs, 2 100's, 6 50's, ave 77.83

Jayasuriya: 10M, 574 runs, 2 100's, 0 50's, ave 41.00

How many of those records were inflated by the West Indian visit in 2001 though? :P

 

[marc71178]

How many of those records were inflated by the West Indian visit in 2001 though? :P

That's only 1 game out of 8 or 9 - can't make too big a difference.

 

[Rik]

Sorry Rik, I just couldn't let you win the argument that easy

Got a bit desperate picking all the players' records at Galle though...the pitch has been very dead in past seasons, didn't seem like it was this time.

 

[Richard]

Bowling to the SL top 6 is like the Indian top 6 in Calcutta, the Aussie top 6 in Brisbane or the English top 6........errrr.........hang on.

Forget I said anything.

Try The Oval.

 

[Tom Halsey]

That's only 1 game out of 8 or 9 - can't make too big a difference.

Agree entirely.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

That's only 1 game out of 8 or 9 - can't make too big a difference.

It really wasn't a serious comment, but Jayawardene did get 99, Sangakkara 140.