IS this a catch?

[slowfinger]

Hm, I would give that. If he had control of it in-air and still had it grasped, it is out, is it not?

 

[wellAlbidarned]

No, otherwise any time where the fielder catches the ball cleanly in the air but loses it upon hitting the ground would also have to be out.

 

[MrPrez]

Awta

 

[SteveNZ]

Sean Abbott catch vs Queensland 2010/11 KFC Big Bash - YouTube

You know what's funny? This isn't the same catch but it's at the same ground on nearly the same peice of grass, and he lands grounding the ball here too. Makes a habit of it imo. Had the ball for a bit longer in this catch.

Anyone who thinks this isn't a fair catch should find a new sport to watch.

 

[Hurricane]

Anyone who thinks this isn't a fair catch should find a new sport to watch.

Do you have an argument to back up your opinion - or did you just want to caste your vote.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Anyone who thinks this isn't a fair catch should find a new sport to watch.

Anyone who thinks it is should find a cricket rule book to read. YOU KEEP THE BALL OFF THE ****ING GROUND AT ALL COSTS.

 

[SteveNZ]

Anyone who thinks it is should find a cricket rule book to read. YOU KEEP THE BALL OFF THE ****ING GROUND AT ALL COSTS.

He's caught it, controlled it and then fallen on his hand. How in the world in that instance is he supposed to land and get up without doing so? If he doesn't, he falls on his nose and breaks it. Not going to happen.

Show that clip to first-class/international cricketers and I would put my house on they'd say it was a clean catch 98% of the time.

If it was bobbling around in his hand then he hit the ground, I wouldn't give it. But he's clearly got control of it and the contact with the turf is only an act of preservation.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

You've got to draw the line somewhere. If you take a catch it mid-air then you're not considered to have control of the catch until you're on the ground with the ball safely held off the turf.

 

[vic_orthdox]

He's caught it, controlled it and then fallen on his hand. How in the world in that instance is he supposed to land and get up without doing so? If he doesn't, he falls on his nose and breaks it. Not going to happen.

Show that clip to first-class/international cricketers and I would put my house on they'd say it was a clean catch 98% of the time.

If it was bobbling around in his hand then he hit the ground, I wouldn't give it. But he's clearly got control of it and the contact with the turf is only an act of preservation.

Yup.

 

[Spikey]

Sean Abbott catch vs Queensland 2010/11 KFC Big Bash - YouTube

You know what's funny? This isn't the same catch but it's at the same ground on nearly the same peice of grass, and he lands grounding the ball here too. Makes a habit of it imo. Had the ball for a bit longer in this catch.

Must be a GABBA thing: AMAZING RICKY PONTING CATCH!!!!! - YouTube

 

[SteveNZ]

You've got to draw the line somewhere. If you take a catch it mid-air then you're not considered to have control of the catch until you're on the ground with the ball safely held off the turf.

Agreed the line must be drawn somewhere. But I cannot see how either Abbott or Ponting could complete those catches without there being some sort of contact with ball and grass. And if we're not accepting those catches, we're taking away from the game. Both were caught clean and controlled in the moments before hitting the ground.

This one is pretty hard to tell without the right camera angles, but another case study: ICC World Cup: NZ v Sri Lanka - McCullum v Jayawardene - Best denied catch ever - YouTube

The fact that Doull says it's out makes me think not.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Nah, it's perfectly possible to take a brilliant jumping catch and land in a way that you don't turf the ball. Yes, they had it controlled moments before hitting the ground, but if that was the criteria for a clean catch then we'd have to allow fielders to take catches landing on or outside the boundary rope for the same reason. Fact is, how you land the catch is, and always has been, utterly essential.

That McCullum catch was turfed imo, but only just. By no fault of his own though, he could barely get three fingertips on it with a full length dive.

 

[SteveNZ]

So you think Ponting and Abbott could have landed with the ball away from the turf? I don't. Not without causing injury.

 

[Hurricane]

Defintely Abbott could have - havn't seen the Ponting catch. He just had to turn his hand side on.

 

[Prince EWS]

So you think Ponting and Abbott could have landed with the ball away from the turf? I don't. Not without causing injury.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be a catch, but I don't really like this particular line of logic. It'd be like pointing out that a player couldn't catch the ball without it bouncing twice first because he was too far away from it originally and then awarding the catch on that basis, or saying that a player couldn't catch the ball without going over the rope etc etc.

If you can't complete a fair catch then that's tough ****; it's not a birthright.

 

[uvelocity]

fmd mahela just loves to stand there doesn't he.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Fair enough in that instance tbh.

 

[uvelocity]

perhaps but seen him stand there vs clarke and vs dhuss? off clean slips catches too

on ya bike!

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Yes, because Clarke has a flawless record of clean catch judgement

Though I'll admit I don't think I've seen the ones you're referring to.

 

[uvelocity]

well shut ya trap on ya bike or have a look first kiwi ****