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Is Ravichandran Ashwin an ATG test bowler?

Is Ravichandran Ashwin an ATG test bowler?

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honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
ataraxia said:
Of course, cricket news, always reliable to give the most accurate and nonsensationalist historical player ratings.
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I mean... its the same as the two posting every other line that Ash is not an ATG coz of their own insecurities. Gotta talk the language they understand, no?
 
TheJediBrah

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capt_Luffy said:
You know what, reading this I just realised I shouldn't care at all. I don't even necessarily like Ashwin..... Thank you! It was life changing!
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I mean there's caring enough to discuss something reasonably, then there's caring enough to get manically aggressive, multi posting and embarrassingly (and repeatedly) attacking any dissenting viewpoint
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
TheJediBrah said:
I mean there's caring enough to discuss something reasonably, then there's caring enough to get manically aggressive, multi posting and embarrassingly (and repeatedly) attacking any dissenting viewpoint
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Yeah.. shameful from tjb and saltshakerz in this thread.
 
Line and Length

Line and Length

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
Laker is The original home bully. Sorry; but definitely Ashwin is comparable with him.
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Then let's compare two 'home bullies' away from their comfort zones.
Starting with Australia, Laker averaged 21.20 compared to Ashwin's 42.15
Moving to South Africa and it's Laker 29.45 to Ashwin 49.69
Where Ashwin has the edge is in the West Indies (19.34 to 31.78) but just look at the standard of W.I's test cricket during Ashwin's time.
 
CricAddict

CricAddict

International Coach
Line and Length said:
Then let's compare two 'home bullies' away from their comfort zones.
Starting with Australia, Laker averaged 21.20 compared to Ashwin's 42.15
Moving to South Africa and it's Laker 29.45 to Ashwin 49.69
Where Ashwin has the edge is in the West Indies (19.34 to 31.78) but just look at the standard of W.I's test cricket during Ashwin's time.
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Just out of curiosity, how was South Africa in those times? minnowish or a really good team? Given your age, have you seen Laker play?
 
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Ashwinashwath

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There is one more thing to consider. Being a non-Karnataka state south Indian, to seal a place in main playing 11 is a very hard task if not impossible as favouritism prevails among Mumbai and Karnataka belt followed by NCR. Generally even mediocre cricketers from north are given chances over a Tamil or Malayalam speaking South Indian. So with these bias against him, he has come thus far, it iscommendable. Some pacer with average impact value like Shardul Thakkur or Mohd Siraj will find a place in overseas tests which has been questioned by commentators like Sunil Gavaskar and Harsha Boghle time and again. If he is sidelined by Indian team owing to jealousy as he overthinks and is reckoned a captaincy material by Kohli and Rohit Sharma and have been opressed internally itself, where is the question of he being heralded as all time great. He saved Sydney test and won us a series in Bangladesh with the bat and has won the winning runs against Pakistan in a WC league match and have excelled as a match winner inspite of jealousy and politics. Some bowlers with consistant line without the craft of wrong ones like carrom ball and top spin are celebrated more than him like Jadeja or Lyon. In less than a year or so from now, mark my words, when he reaches 550 wickets and crosses 3500 runs he becomes all time second greatest after Stuart Broad and in two years if given that many opportunities to play, will go past Kumble and will remain the only one with 4000 runs and 600 wickets combo. At that time should he have picked a few overseas 5 wicket hauls, he'd knock the door of the hall of fame of the ATGs.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Line and Length said:
Then let's compare two 'home bullies' away from their comfort zones.
Starting with Australia, Laker averaged 21.20 compared to Ashwin's 42.15
Moving to South Africa and it's Laker 29.45 to Ashwin 49.69
Where Ashwin has the edge is in the West Indies (19.34 to 31.78) but just look at the standard of W.I's test cricket during Ashwin's time.
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Laker played a grand total of 4 matches in Australia, at his very peak and has exactly the same record there as Jadeja; and was still outperformed heavily by Benaud taking 31 wickets. He also played the South Africa series on that same trott, took 11 wickets in 5 games; and that series was heavily dominated by the spinners; Hugh Tayfield took 37 wickets (@17) and Johnny Wardle took 26 (@13) and there were a grand total of 2 bowlers who averaged higher in that series. In his first WI tour, the 4 highest wicket takers were all spinners (though he was 2nd) and only one of them averaged higher. And in the 2nd WI tour again, he was largely outperformed by Sonny Ramadhin. During his playing days, most experts and selectors maintained he was pitch dependent after the 1st WI series and that he wouldn't be great away; so didn't tour again before the mid 50s.
 
ankitj

ankitj

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Ashwinashwath said:
There is one more thing to consider. Being a non-Karnataka state south Indian, to seal a place in main playing 11 is a very hard task if not impossible as favouritism prevails among Mumbai and Karnataka belt followed by NCR. Generally even mediocre cricketers from north are given chances over a Tamil or Malayalam speaking South Indian. So with these bias against him, he has come thus far, it iscommendable. Some pacer with average impact value like Shardul Thakkur or Mohd Siraj will find a place in overseas tests which has been questioned by commentators like Sunil Gavaskar and Harsha Boghle time and again. If he is sidelined by Indian team owing to jealousy as he overthinks and is reckoned a captaincy material by Kohli and Rohit Sharma and have been opressed internally itself, where is the question of he being heralded as all time great. He saved Sydney test and won us a series in Bangladesh with the bat and has won the winning runs against Pakistan in a WC league match and have excelled as a match winner inspite of jealousy and politics. Some bowlers with consistant line without the craft of wrong ones like carrom ball and top spin are celebrated more than him like Jadeja or Lyon. In less than a year or so from now, mark my words, when he reaches 550 wickets and crosses 3500 runs he becomes all time second greatest after Stuart Broad and in two years if given that many opportunities to play, will go past Kumble and will remain the only one with 4000 runs and 600 wickets combo. At that time should he have picked a few overseas 5 wicket hauls, he'd knock the door of the hall of fame of the ATGs.
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Very good post. Lot of truth bombs.
 
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