Is Ravichandran Ashwin an ATG test bowler?

[Coronis]

No. It's all how they are rated in their playing days. An ATG should be recognized at least as that sort of material in their prime. They need a bit of something special.

Genius is never understood in its own time.

 

[ankitj]

WTF why does every thread have a long ass list of players by @capt_Luffy ?

 

[honestbharani]

The same reason every thread has longass useless posts by salty.

 

[Coronis]

WTF why does every thread have a long ass list of players by @capt_Luffy ?

@capt_Luffy top 100 CW posters when?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Wayyyy too long imo

I mean, it's my list. I think 77 cricketers in all of cricket history is about right, if not a little low.

 

[capt_Luffy]

@capt_Luffy top 100 CW posters when?

Nah. 100 Good posters doesn't exists. Just put guys like peterhrt, Ed, Line and Length at top and we are done.

 

[Coronis]

Nah. 100 Good posters doesn't exists. Just put guys like peterhrt, Ed, Line and Length at top and we are done.

Hey hey now, many of your lists include poor or below average players.

dw you won’t hurt people’s feelings.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I mean, it's my list. I think 77 cricketers in all of cricket history is about right, if not a little low.

77 ATGs is ridiculous IMO

Just hand em out to anyone why don't you

 

[capt_Luffy]

77 ATGs is ridiculous IMO

Just hand em out to anyone why don't you

Among around 10000 international players and a fair few more on the FC level; 77 really doesn't seem too much to me.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Among around 10000 international players and a fair few more on the FC level; 77 really doesn't seem too much to me.

It is if you're trying to classify the very best of the best. Make it 77 "greats" and about 30 ATGs is better.

Or if it's a semantic issue go with 77 ATGs and 30 "ATG+'s" or something

 

[capt_Luffy]

WTF why does every thread have a long ass list of players by @capt_Luffy ?

I am simply man, I see a chance of making a list, I make a list.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It is if you're trying to classify the very best of the best. Make it 77 "greats" and about 30 ATGs is better.

Or if it's a semantic issue go with 77 ATGs and 30 "ATG+'s" or something

There are always subtiers among ATGs as well. You would definitely say Chappell belongs a rung below Sobers despite both being ATGs.

 

[Coronis]

It is if you're trying to classify the very best of the best. Make it 77 "greats" and about 30 ATGs is better.

Or if it's a semantic issue go with 77 ATGs and 30 "ATG+'s" or something

Aight so we’ve got

ATG+
ATG
ATVG

Where do we go next?

 

[Prince EWS]

I am simply man, I see a chance of making a list, I make a list.

@Brooks Side

 

[Prince EWS]

Aight so we’ve got

ATG+
ATG
ATVG

Where do we go next?

Part-time great
All-time decent

 

[Spark]

Part-time great
All-time decent

All time mid
All time very mid
Part time mid
Marcus Harris

 

[Coronis]

Among around 10000 international players and a fair few more on the FC level; 77 really doesn't seem too much to me.

It seems people start out with a certain number in mind at the start of following the sport and want to keep it around that number, ignoring the large expansion of the game.

I mean for example we’ve had one third of test players in history debut since 2000.

 

[TheJediBrah]

There are always subtiers among ATGs as well. You would definitely say Chappell belongs a rung below Sobers despite both being ATGs.

Yeah so it's really individual semantics. I think we decided earlier in this thread that the question isn't really "is Ashwin an ATG" it's "how far does each person extend their definition of ATG and does it reach Ashwin"

 

[subshakerz]

Genius is never understood in its own time.

Nonsense. The term 'All-Time Great' is meaningless if that individuals greatness to be compared across eras isnt apparent in their prime.

 

[Prince EWS]

Aight so we’ve got

ATG+
ATG
ATVG

Where do we go next?

...

ATG bad innings by sarfaraz. This has been an embarrassing batting display so far.