Is it too early to declare Dale Steyn as an all-time great?

[Uppercut]

Haha even Kallis can't score too many runs when he can't see the ball.

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That's unplayable regardless! The ball's heading straight for the middle of Kallis's bat at 90mph, then at the last minute it's like "bollocks, there's a bat!" and swerves rapidly to avoid it, clattering into the off stump.

That video doesn't actually show the best replay. That was an absolutely epic match.

 

[TT Boy]

Steyn now level with Pollock with 16 5 wicket hauls in an innings. Polly of course played 108 test matches, Steyn a mere 46 so far. Incredible.

 

[Uppercut]

I love how he took 5/50 in an innings and everyone is talking about how unlucky he was.

 

[NasserFan207]

No.

He's a true hero, a lone warrior, a single man raging against the machine that is the last 15 years of bull**** intended to neutralize bowlers and turn cricket into a sixhitting competition.

 

[Bun]

No.

He's a true hero, a lone warrior, a single man raging against the machine that is the last 15 years of bull**** intended to neutralize bowlers and turn cricket into a sixhitting competition.

Very true. He is fast becoming the bowling Bradman of today

 

[Maximus0723]

Very true. He is fast becoming the bowling Bradman of today

um, no.

 

[M0rphin3]

um, no.

Why? How many bowlers have sustained a sub 25 average playing all around the world in the current era?

 

[GotSpin]

A bowling Bradman would average around 17-18 tbf. Perhaps less

 

[Teja.]

Why? How many bowlers have sustained a sub 25 average playing all around the world in the current era?

In the 00s? Murali, McG, Akthar, Warne, Steyn, Pollock. That's 6

Along with Bond and Asif who did not take a significant number of wickets in the period and Walsh who played for only one year.

I think most kallisball fans here were pampered by watching a number of ATG bowlers due to growing up in the 90s and 80s. 6 <25 bowlers is certainly not low by non-1980,1990 standards.

For instance in the 70s, You had only Lillee, Willis, Botham, Thomson and Roberts That's five(The latter two have averages slightly over 25 in the decade tbf)

Holding also has 65 wickets in the decade.

In the 60s, Trueman, Davidson and P Pollock, That is all, three.

Underwood, Higgs and Sajjad had about 60 wickets each @ <25.

50s was another rich decade for bowlers followed by a bad decade in the 40s.

The point is, Is Steyn awesome? Yes. Is it a unique circumstance in kallisballing history when there is a dearth of extremely good bowlers? No, Not unless you limit your vision to the 80s and 90s.

 

[Teja.]

A bowling Bradman would average around 17-18 tbf. Perhaps less

Nah, More like 10-12.5

 

[vcs]

In the 00s? Murali, McG, Akthar, Warne, Steyn, Pollock. That's 6

Along with Bond and Asif who did not take a significant number of wickets in the period and Walsh who played for only one year.

I think most kallisball fans here were pampered by watching a number of ATG bowlers due to growing up in the 90s and 80s. 6 >25 bowlers is certainly not low by non-1980,1990 standards.

For instance in the 70s, You had only Lillee, Willis, Botham, Thomson and Roberts That's five(The latter two have averages slightly over 25 in the decade tbf)

Holding also has 65 wickets in the decade.

In the 60s, Trueman, Davidson and P Pollock, That is all, three.

Underwood, Higgs and Sajjad had about 60 wickets each @ >25.

50s was another rich decade for bowlers followed by a bad decade in the 40s.

The point is, Is Steyn awesome? Yes. Is it a unique circumstance in kallisballing history when there is a dearth of extremely good bowlers? No, Not unless you limit your vision to the 80s and 90s.

You did it again.

How did the test go, BTW? Hope it didn't involve number comparison of some sort..

 

[Teja.]

You did it again.

I played with your heart, got lost in the game!

 

[M0rphin3]

Was on crack tbf

 

[bagapath]

Nah, More like 10-12.5

correct. if averaging under 28 with the ball (a good bowler) is the equivalent of averaging over 40 with the bat (a good batsman) or averaging < 25 with the ball is the equivalent of averaging > 50 with the bat (the great category), then the bowling bradman would average about 11-12 with the ball.

 

[TT Boy]

Steyn’s economy rate still troubles me. I think he should stop taking wickets every 39 balls and concentrate on bowling more maidens. Anyone agree?

 

[kingjulian]

correct. if averaging under 28 with the ball (a good bowler) is the equivalent of averaging over 40 with the bat (a good batsman) or averaging < 25 with the ball is the equivalent of averaging > 50 with the bat (the great category), then the bowling bradman would average about 11-12 with the ball.

Well done on winning a truly pedantic debate.

Hang on...i'll find a medal for you.

 

[Teja.]

Steyn’s economy rate still troubles me. I think he should stop taking wickets every 39 balls and concentrate on bowling more maidens. Anyone agree?

Tbf, I think he changed his approach to bowling slightly in this series from being a mercurial and explosive bowler to more consistent and accurate and relying on seaming deliveries at full to get wickets sometimes unlike pitching it up and waiting for the inevitable jaffa like before. His Econ is about half a run down this series, which certainly isn't a drastic improvement but he did get hit a few by the tail.

 

[GotSpin]

Nah, More like 10-12.5

Yeah true. A few guys still averaged around 20-21 and an average of 18 would only just be ahead of the pack, while Bradman, on the other hand, was warming up for the next race while everyone else was on the first lap

 

[GotSpin]

Tbf, I think he changed his approach to bowling slightly in this series from being a mercurial and explosive bowler to more consistent and accurate and relying on seaming deliveries at full to get wickets sometimes unlike pitching it up and waiting for the inevitable jaffa like before. His Econ is about half a run down this series, which certainly isn't a drastic improvement but he did get hit a few by the tail.

They were pretty lucky shots.

Honestly, in tests, who cares about his ER if he can pick up 5/75? It's really a poor argument to detract from his bowling

 

[vcs]

They were pretty lucky shots.

Honestly, in tests, who cares about his ER if he can pick up 5/75? It's really a poor argument to detract from his bowling

Not the six Bhajji hit though.