Is Flintoff Overrated?

[Scaly piscine]

Flintoff to announce retirement | England Cricket News | Cricinfo.com

 

[irottev]

Flintoff sucked anyway. So over-rated. Plus he hasn't played in ages. No surprises there.

He did perform well in a few big games - like the Ashes and ODIs with the ball though.

 

[kingpin]

Flintoff sucked anyway. So over-rated. Plus he hasn't played in ages. No surprises there.

He did perform well in a few big games - like the Ashes and ODIs with the ball though.

Still one of the best allrounder on his day.....

 

[Pothas]

Flintoff sucked anyway. So over-rated. Plus he hasn't played in ages. No surprises there.

He did perform well in a few big games - like the Ashes and ODIs with the ball though.

**** off.

 

[GIMH]

AWTPothas

 

[irottev]

Flintoff fanboys :S

 

[GIMH]

From 2003 until his injury in 2006 he was right up there as one of the best players in the world.

People have called him overrated because of what he did (or didn't do) prior to 2003 where he was just a run=of-the-mill player. But to ignore his achievements at his peak is just ignorant, as his claiming he only performed well against Australia (which you didn't state specifically but implied).

I won't be discussing this any further as I don't think Flintoff's retirement thread should be soured by such discussion.

 

[irottev]

To be classed a great all-rounder you at least need a higher batting average than your bowling average. Flintoff fails. He's miles off being any where near the best of the best.

 

[GIMH]

Look, I said I'm not going to get into an argument, so I won't.

Please, however, point out who said any of the things you were refuting.

What I, and many others, will claim is that at his peak he was among the best players in the world. Go argue things that no-one is saying somewhere else, hey.

 

[Flem274*]

 

[Pothas]

Flintoff fanboys :S

Ok if you say so.

Flintoff sucked anyway. So over-rated. Plus he hasn't played in ages. No surprises there.

It was this in his retirement thread that I was objecting to, there is a big difference between that and the more reasonable 'he is not one of the true greats blah blah blah' argument.

 

[GotSpin]

Look, I said I'm not going to get into an argument, so I won't.

Please, however, point out who said any of the things you were refuting.

What I, and many others, will claim is that at his peak he was among the best players in the world. Go argue things that no-one is saying somewhere else, hey.

Even though flintoff was a pom, he possessed an aura in his prime years that really transcended any statistical interpretations. If you looked at him from a purely numerical standpoint, yes he's overrated, but he just added so much in so many other ways.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Even though flintoff was a pom, he possessed an aura in his prime years that really transcended any statistical interpretations. If you looked at him from a purely numerical standpoint, yes he's overrated, but he just added so much in so many other ways.

Think this a very important point.

 

[Ikki]

Flintoff is one of those players who'll not look as good in retrospect (looking at his record). He was a 'moments' player in much the same way Warne was. He'd take the important wicket, make the important runs, take an important catch, etc, and it would boost his team and England looked much better when he made such a difference - Ashes 05 will always a testament to that. For that, a lot of people who didn't watch Flintoff just won't get how good he was when he was on a roll. He'll fall short of that legendary status other players garner, but he'll be a cult-hero nonetheless.

 

[GIMH]

Flintoff is one of those players who'll not look as good in retrospect (looking at his record). He was a 'moments' player in much the same way Warne was. He'd take the important wicket, make the important runs, take an important catch, etc, and it would boost his team and England looked much better when he made such a difference - Ashes 05 will always a testament to that. For that, a lot of people who didn't watch Flintoff just won't get how good he was when he was on a roll. He'll fall short of that legendary status other players garner, but he'll be a cult-hero nonetheless.

Awesome post.

 

[benchmark00]

Will sum it up like this:

Didn't perform at his peak for long enough to be considered one of the greatest allrounders of all time, even though there is no doubt he was capable of greatness.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

As I've said (I think in this thread, the post-moving has thrown me off somewhat), at his peak there was an argument for him being the world's best player, but he didn't stay up there quite long enough to make it into the ATG discussions like some players who reach such heights do.

 

[vcs]

Yeah, I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

As I've said (I think in this thread, the post-moving has thrown me off somewhat), at his peak there was an argument for him being the world's best player, but he didn't stay up there quite long enough to make it into the ATG discussions like some players who reach such heights do.

Yes. Considering that Australia's great team were pretty much at the peak of their dominance around then (with Ashes 2005 being the only blemish), that is a pretty big accolade.

 

[weldone]

overrated as a batsman.

overrated as a bowler.

not overrated as an alrounder.

 

[Faisal1985]

Not at all Overrated....brilliant player...England should be thankful to him for the efforts he made with injuries...