Is Flintoff number 1?

[Swervy]

aus missed macgrath for that matter india missed srinath due to retierment and zaheer they could be atleast 3/4 of macgrath

and ya india really missed shane warne

now you are talking complete BS.

Retirment is retirement..completely different to the misfortune of being injured..and whether Zaheer is worth 3/4 of a McGrath is a debatable point...

And yes Australia did miss Warne, if thats the point you are trying to make with your highly sarcastic sentence there

 

[a massive zebra]

and ya india really missed shane warne

 

[Swervy]

what has this got to do with Flintoff anyway?????

 

[a massive zebra]

And yes Australia did miss Warne

No India missed him.

v India 11 514.1 1608 29 55.44 4/47 0 0 3.12 106.3

Retirment is retirement..completely different to the misfortune of being injured.

Undeniably.

and whether Zaheer is worth 3/4 of a McGrath is a debatable point...

Of course he isn't. IMO McGrath is Australia's best bowler ever.

 

[Swervy]

No India missed him.

v India 11 514.1 1608 29 55.44 4/47 0 0 3.12 106.3

yawn..a rather tired overused statistic I think..fact of the matter Warne is a better spinner than ANYONE India has EVER produced

 

[biased indian]

what has this got to do with Flintoff anyway?????

its u who brought indias performance aganist Aus and WI into here not any one else what had they got to do about flintoff

 

[a massive zebra]

yawn..a rather tired overused statistic I think..fact of the matter Warne is a better spinner than ANYONE India has EVER produced

Not against India though, which is the topic in question.

 

[Swervy]

its u who brought indias performance aganist Aus and WI into here not any one else what had they got to do about flintoff

well, someone was saying that Flintoff was only performing vs crap teams (like WI and NZ) and not vs the top teams (like SA,India and Australia)..all i said was Flintoff has performed vs SA, and why do people think that India are in the upper echelon of teams and not NZ when in reality there really isnt that much of a difference between the results of those two teams in tests.

Its just the usual one eyed BS that comes out of SOME Indian fans when it suits them, in that India are great, other teams arent especially when it comes to England or England players

 

[Swervy]

Not against India though, which is the topic in question.

the topic is Is Flintoff the number one player in the world at the moment.

Warne has already done enough in his career to prove without much doubt in many peoples minds that he is at least the number one leg spinner of all time, no need to go over old ground again really

 

[Neil Pickup]

Please don't start the whole India-Australia thing again.

Warne may not have the success against India that he's had against others, but he'd certainly have done a damn sight better than MacGill did for the reason that he doesn't bowl a long-hop every over.

And, I remind you that the method behind the ICC Test Rankings is debatable at best and you ought to go off the CW ones which will be updated after the conclusion of the SL-SA series, also to include Aus-SL.

 

[Hit4Six]

flintoff has been performing recently and on current form i think hes very very good BUT not the best in the world?! especially at test level?! MAYBE the best all rounder at test level but not the no.1 in the world.

as for the india/nz etc, england at the mo are on a high which is fine BUT for the last 3 series who have they really been tested against the detiororating windies and a NZ side who were falling to bits with everyone getting injured not to mention they didnt have a top shelf bowler like bond spear heading their attack. the real tests for engald would be if they perform against sides like SA, India and Australia *just my opinion no1 hurt me*

 

[Swervy]

flintoff has been performing recently and on current form i think hes very very good BUT not the best in the world?! especially at test level?! MAYBE the best all rounder at test level but not the no.1 in the world.

as for the india/nz etc, england at the mo are on a high which is fine BUT for the last 3 series who have they really been tested against the detiororating windies and a NZ side who were falling to bits with everyone getting injured not to mention they didnt have a top shelf bowler like bond spear heading their attack. the real tests for engald would be if they perform against sides like SA, India and Australia *just my opinion no1 hurt me*

you see...Sri Lanka are giving SA a bit of a pasting at the moment, so no doubt everyone will say SA are also on the slide....so if Englanddo do well in SA, everyone will say, it was easy for England etc.....this is what does my head in

 

[Neil Pickup]

Do the 2-2 with South Africa in 2003 and the 1-1 with India in 2002 not count?

 

[a massive zebra]

Warne may not have the success against India that he's had against others, but he'd certainly have done a damn sight better than MacGill did for the reason that he doesn't bowl a long-hop every over.

can you explain this then:

Warne
45 7 150 1 3.33 3rd Test v Ind in Aus 1991/92 at Sydney
22 2 107 0 4.86 1st Test v SL in SL 1992 at Colombo (SSC)
30 7 122 1 4.07 1st Test v Ind in Ind 1997/98 at Chennai
42 4 147 0 3.50 2nd Test v Ind in Ind 1997/98 at Kolkata
15.5 2 70 1 4.42 3rd Test v WI in WI 1998/99 at Bridgetown
13 1 60 0 4.62 3rd Test v Ind in Aus 1999/00 at Sydney
34 3 152 1 4.47 2nd Test v Ind in Ind 2000/01 at Kolkata
30 6 108 2 3.60 3rd Test v SA in SA 2001/02 at Durban

and just yesterday 22 1 87 0 County Championship vs Glamorgan at Rose Bowl

and also explain why MacGill did better than Warne normally does against India?

 

[Swervy]

Do the 2-2 with South Africa in 2003 and the 1-1 with India in 2002 not count?

Neil...dont be silly, of course they dont

 

[Swervy]

can you explain this then:

Warne
45 7 150 1 3.33 3rd Test v Ind in Aus 1991/92 at Sydney
22 2 107 0 4.86 1st Test v SL in SL 1992 at Colombo (SSC)
30 7 122 1 4.07 1st Test v Ind in Ind 1997/98 at Chennai
42 4 147 0 3.50 2nd Test v Ind in Ind 1997/98 at Kolkata
15.5 2 70 1 4.42 3rd Test v WI in WI 1998/99 at Bridgetown
13 1 60 0 4.62 3rd Test v Ind in Aus 1999/00 at Sydney
34 3 152 1 4.47 2nd Test v Ind in Ind 2000/01 at Kolkata
30 6 108 2 3.60 3rd Test v SA in SA 2001/02 at Durban

and just yesterday 22 1 87 0 County Championship vs Glamorgan at Rose Bowl

and also explain why MacGill did better than Warne normally does against India?

can we get back on topic...it would be ok if this had evolved into something new, but this is just going over the same old stuff again and again...no doubt it will soon turn into a Warne vs Murali debate as well

 

[a massive zebra]

can we get back on topic...it would be ok if this had evolved into something new, but this is just going over the same old stuff again and again...no doubt it will soon turn into a Warne vs Murali debate as well

You don't have an answer so you just try to change the topic.

 

[Swervy]

You don't have an answer so just try to change the topic.

an answer to what???????

 

[biased indian]

an answer to what???????

how could flintoff be number one

 

[Swervy]

how could flintoff be number one

ok..well he is scoring heavily and taking wickets more than any other player in the world at the moment (kallis is scoring runs, Pollock is taking wickets, Flintoff is doing both)....Flintoff is one of the most economical bowlers in ODI and his batting recently in ODI has been outstanding....is that a good answer???