Is Dhoni greatest OdI cricketer off all-time

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To me, RPI is a better metric in tests (still very context heavy and therefore prone to be used badly) than it ever is in LO formats. And it is a poor metric on its own, even in tests.

I can't see your rationale for this. RPI makes far more sense in ODIs. ODI innings are a complete closed circuit. Your RPI is the average of what you contribute to a team over a career. And if a top order batsman is still there in the 50th or the 20th over (especially in 1st innings), they should make every effort to hit out, and increase their likelihood of dismissal. Obviously this is dependant on match conditions but it's generally true.

There's far more variables in tests. Declarations, teams winning in the 4th innings only 2/3/4 etc wickets down...

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Here is a brief article on the not out myth from the esteemed cricket statistician Charles Davis:

goddamn that dude is so good. we should get him to join ?

 

[TheJediBrah]

So you basically agree with the thing you've spent years vehemently arguing against, lol? FMD

Your comprehension is acting up real bad again
I can spell it out for you again if you really need. Let me know

 

[honestbharani]

And if a top order batsman is still there in the 50th or the 20th over (especially in 1st innings), they should make every effort to hit out, and increase their likelihood of dismissal.

And yet you do not consider the fact that a top order batsman essentially can contribute far far more runs per innings in a LO game than any middle order batsman ever can.

 

[Daemon]

I think RPI is an ok tool if you want to compare between specific roles in the team.

Comparing openers to lower order batsmen using RPI doesn't really make sense though.

 

[Migara]

Only issue I have with that statistical analysis is it lumps openers with no7 batsmen.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I think RPI is an ok tool if you want to compare between specific roles in the team.

Comparing openers to lower order batsmen using RPI doesn't really make sense though.

Yes definitely this. Makes no sense using it for Dhoni or Bevan.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Yes definitely this. Makes no sense using it for Dhoni or Bevan.

But can make sense comparing Dhoni to Bevan.

 

[Fanboy375]

When Ind win in ODI Dhoni in 2nd innings has batting average of 102.71 and 40 runs/innings with strike rate of 88.00 but when Ind lose his average is 28.56 and 28 runs/innings with strike rate of 71.17

 

[Srinath P]

Yes

Finishing, keeping, captaincy: He's the best in all these 3 aspects. No other cricketer would come in the top 5 in 3 roles.

 

[Thala_0710]

No he isn't for me, even for India I'd put him at no 3 behind Sachin and even Kohli

 

[Victor Ian]

Yes

Finishing, keeping, captaincy: He's the best in all these 3 aspects. No other cricketer would come in the top 5 in 3 roles.

Nah. Ponting has more presence in field than Dhoni behind stumps. Ponting's captaincy record trounces Dhoni. Ponting would have exceeded Dhoni as finisher if he batted down the order, but he batted where you put your best batsman. That's why Kohli and Sachin batted up the order. Starters are better than finishers. No way in the world is Dhoni better than the last two names.

 

[Thala_0710]

Nah. Ponting has more presence in field than Dhoni behind stumps. Ponting's captaincy record trounces Dhoni. Ponting would have exceeded Dhoni as finisher if he batted down the order, but he batted where you put your best batsman.

No

 

[Fanboy375]

Nah. Ponting has more presence in field than Dhoni behind stumps. Ponting's captaincy record trounces Dhoni. Ponting would have exceeded Dhoni as finisher if he batted down the order, but he batted where you put your best batsman. That's why Kohli and Sachin batted up the order. Starters are better than finishers. No way in the world is Dhoni better than the last two names.

Waugh is better captain than both.Also Ranatunga is decent batsman and good captain.Viv has good record as captain.But one need to understand having good team could be easy for being good captain

 

[thierry henry]

Reviving this thread has just reminded me how good it is that we don’t have to watch his disgusting batting anymore. Thanks for that.

 

[subshakerz]

Viv is the greatest ODI cricketer ever.

Best ever bat, top fielder, over 100 wickets too.

 

[capt_Luffy]

No he isn't for me, even for India I'd put him at no 3 behind Sachin and even Kohli

Him vs Kohli in ODIs is very interesting imo

 

[Thala_0710]

Him vs Kohli in ODIs is very interesting imo

It really depends on how important you feel Dhoni's keeping was. As good as he was, keeping is a less important skill in ODIs than it is tests.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It really depends on how important you feel Dhoni's keeping was. As good as he was, keeping is a less important skill in ODIs than it is tests.

That's true. But I also rate his captaincy exceptionally highly.

 

[Thala_0710]

That's true. But I also rate his captaincy exceptionally highly.

That's true for me too, the best LOI captain I've seen