Is Darrell Hair Ok to be on the International Panel ?

[Swervy]

So far he's been backed by his organisation that employs him. His case is not closed by any stretch of immagination and i'd like an official enquiry into Hair's conduct as well.

into what conduct by Hair exactly?

 

[Dasa]

So this is your opinion, not fact. Maybe the people you have spoken to have had bad experiences playing vs Australians (I guess it would be interesting to see if they had been beaten by the Australians as well...sour grapes???)...seems you are generalising (again!!!!) about the people of a nation based on the chat of a handful of your mates.

Well I agree with him and I live in Australia...

 

[Swervy]

Well I agree with him and I live in Australia...

....and....

 

[Dasa]

....and....

..and what? Living in Australia you can assume I've had a fair experience of playing sport with Australians, and I agree with C_C's assessment in general.

 

[Swervy]

..and what? Living in Australia you can assume I've had a fair experience of playing sport with Australians, and I agree with C_C's assessment in general.

so have you played vs many people of other nationalities!!!???

look, we all have have different experiences, and thats why its dangerous to generalise

 

[social]

..and what? Living in Australia you can assume I've had a fair experience of playing sport with Australians, and I agree with C_C's assessment in general.

Sorry, but u dont have a clue

Cricket - so we sledge but, then again, so does virtually everyone else. I'd say that pales into insignificance against match-fixing and pitch tampering

Various football codes - not an issue

Swimming - not an issue

Athletics - not an issue

Tennis - Hewitt was a brat and was roundly villified by his own countrymen before lifting his game

Cycling - Tour De France anyone?

 

[C_C]

Sorry, but u dont have a clue

Cricket - so we sledge but, then again, so does virtually everyone else. I'd say that pales into insignificance against match-fixing and pitch tampering

Various football codes - not an issue

Swimming - not an issue

Athletics - not an issue

Tennis - Hewitt was a brat and was roundly villified by his own countrymen before lifting his game

Cycling - Tour De France anyone?

Mate, your board does a good job sweeping its matchfixers under the carpet. If the Aussie world was even half as fair as you pretend it to be, Mark Waugh and Warne would've been banned for 'weather reports'.
You have an entire system geared towards pushing the limits of acceptable behaviour and fairplay to the very edge, beginning with your media and culminating with your entire sportin culture.
Perhaps you do not see this but this is something that's been observed by quite a few people worldwide and stuff written about it too - the much higher proportion of uncouth, unsporting and innocent-acting sportsmen Australia throws up contrasting to others.
And your idea that 'all countries behave the same' only underscores your ignorance about the unique sportin psyches and attitudes developed by several nations, just like their brand of food or music.
As i said, aussie sporting culture is hyper-competetive, which wins them a lotta prizes but the hypercompetetiveness also throws up a higher number of total goons.
And you utterly kid yourself if you think swimming is not an issue.
Perhaps if you checked the image of Australian sports overseas, you'd get a better idea.

 

[C_C]

His stand has been backed as legally correct by his organisation AND his peers (Aleem Dar amongst them).

As to whether all would have handled it in a similar fashion, that's another matter but it's also a moot point as Hair was legally 100% correct.

As for an inquiry, what's the point?

As it stands, he was within his rights and no amount of hot air is going to change the situation unless new evidence comes to light.

1. Peers who are all employed by the same corporation.
2. The issue of Hair's conduct is not to do with calling off the match(Atleast,in my eyes) but the situation leading up to and inclusive of the whole ball change fracas
3. The point of the enquiry would be to check Hair's decision-making process for changing the ball as well as him trying to pull a business move that is, atleast in my land, seen as highly unethical behaviour ( get embroiled in controversy and immediately try to take the money and run-copying the ENRON CEOs perhaps? Guess Hair set his sights a wee bit too high for his attempted heist)

 

[social]

Mate, your board does a good job sweeping its matchfixers under the carpet. If the Aussie world was even half as fair as you pretend it to be, Mark Waugh and Warne would've been banned for 'weather reports'.
You have an entire system geared towards pushing the limits of acceptable behaviour and fairplay to the very edge, beginning with your media and culminating with your entire sportin culture.
Perhaps you do not see this but this is something that's been observed by quite a few people worldwide and stuff written about it too - the much higher proportion of uncouth, unsporting and innocent-acting sportsmen Australia throws up contrasting to others.
And your idea that 'all countries behave the same' only underscores your ignorance about the unique sportin psyches and attitudes developed by several nations, just like their brand of food or music.
As i said, aussie sporting culture is hyper-competetive, which wins them a lotta prizes but the hypercompetetiveness also throws up a higher number of total goons.
And you utterly kid yourself if you think swimming is not an issue.
Perhaps if you checked the image of Australian sports overseas, you'd get a better idea.

You've obviously never played sports in different countries.

Ive been sworn at in Urdu, Afrikaans and by West Indians that I didnt understand (but I did get the gist of their racial slurs).

I was taught how to tamper with a cricket ball by a great test cricketer.

Ive witnessed countless incidents of betting on sports.

And guess what? Shock, horror none of them were Australians

However, just in case u do have an idea of what you're talking about, I'll test your specific knowledge of uncouth and unsporting Aussies.

Name one, just one, that's not a cricketer or LLeyton Hewitt from the last say 15 years.

Should be easy as, in your opinion, there has to be thousands out there.

 

[Dasa]

Sorry, but u dont have a clue

So you're telling me you know more about my experiences than I do?

 

[social]

BTW, Asif just sledged Strauss.

Obviously learnt that from an Australian.

Oh wait, he's never played against us

 

[C_C]

You've obviously never played sports in different countries.

Ive been sworn at in Urdu, Afrikaans and by West Indians that I didnt understand (but I did get the gist of their racial slurs).

I was taught how to tamper with a cricket ball by a great test cricketer.

Ive witnessed countless incidents of betting on sports.

And guess what? Shock, horror none of them were Australians

However, just in case u do have an idea of what you're talking about, I'll test your specific knowledge of uncouth and unsporting Aussies.

Name one, just one, that's not a cricketer or LLeyton Hewitt from the last say 15 years.

Should be easy as, in your opinion, there has to be thousands out there.

Do not assume about me mate- i've probably lived in more countries than you've lived in houses your whole life and i've played sports competetively as well. There is a whole lotta difference between being simply called the 'f-word' or having 'mother and sister' jokes thrown your way or being racially profiled like many Aussie players have a tendency to do.

As per your query- i simply fail to see the point. If i supply a name, you will, predictably, try to deny it or somehow justify it like you always do with your aussie mates and try your brand of intellectual racism ( where subcontinental administrators levelling the playing field is termed as 'racism' despite the fact that it is YOUR country, not the subcontinental ones that officially practiced racism despite the subcontinent's history being a few orders of magnitude older than either Australian or Western European one).

But like i said, take a look around outside and just find out the answer to 'what is your experience with aussie players, particularly in team sports, like?' You'll find not all comments negative(obviously and for good reason) but 'Aussie teams = speaks and acts rot' is a much much more common theme than virtually any other nation out there.

 

[C_C]

BTW, Asif just sledged Strauss.

Obviously learnt that from an Australian.

Oh wait, he's never played against us

Yes it is. Many many players of the past are of the view that it was Australians who took the 'uncouthness and uglyness in sledging' to unprecedented and unparallelled depths beginning from the Chappell era.
Sticks in your craw i guess but thats really the bottomline and Australia has also generated FAR more attention than other places because of its behaviour-related issues than almost any other nation.

 

[social]

Do not assume about me mate- i've probably lived in more countries than you've lived in houses your whole life and i've played sports competetively as well. There is a whole lotta difference between being simply called the 'f-word' or having 'mother and sister' jokes thrown your way or being racially profiled like many Aussie players have a tendency to do.

As per your query- i simply fail to see the point. If i supply a name, you will, predictably, try to deny it or somehow justify it like you always do with your aussie mates and try your brand of intellectual racism ( where subcontinental administrators levelling the playing field is termed as 'racism' despite the fact that it is YOUR country, not the subcontinental ones that officially practiced racism despite the subcontinent's history being a few orders of magnitude older than either Australian or Western European one).

But like i said, take a look around outside and just find out the answer to 'what is your experience with aussie players, particularly in team sports, like?' You'll find not all comments negative(obviously and for good reason) but 'Aussie teams = speaks and acts rot' is a much much more common theme than virtually any other nation out there.

As usual, an unfounded generalisation

 

[C_C]

As usual, an unfounded generalisation

And as usual, trying to hide behind the whole politically correct psychobabble of 'everyone does the same, everyone is the same, cant distinguish their track records in this' type of ignorance.
You want categoric examples-yet even a 5 year old kid knows that these stuff are rarely, if ever, spoken on the record by public figures. If i am not mistaken, a while back even some of your own fellow Journalists wondered about the disparity between the image that is Australian sporting culture and the image that it tries to sell as Australian sporting culture.(SMH i believe)

 

[Dasa]

And as usual, trying to hide behind the whole politically correct psychobabble of 'everyone does the same, everyone is the same, cant distinguish their track records in this' type of ignorance.
You want categoric examples-yet even a 5 year old kid knows that these stuff are rarely, if ever, spoken on the record by public figures. If i am not mistaken, a while back even some of your own fellow Journalists wondered about the disparity between the image that is Australian sporting culture and the image that it tries to sell as Australian sporting culture.(SMH i believe)

Malcolm Knox was one of them, I think?

 

[social]

Yes it is. Many many players of the past are of the view that it was Australians who took the 'uncouthness and uglyness in sledging' to unprecedented and unparallelled depths beginning from the Chappell era.
Sticks in your craw i guess but thats really the bottomline and Australia has also generated FAR more attention than other places because of its behaviour-related issues than almost any other nation.

Just how does the behaviour of Chappell etc relate in any way shape or form to the behaviour of Aussies relative to others TODAY

Quite simply, it doesnt.

As for your claim about attention, well let's see.

British/Italian/virtually any other nation of footballers or Australian - British etc

Chinese/German/virtually any other swimmer or Australian - Chinese etc


etc etc etc

Provide facts or stop talking nonsense

 

[social]

Malcolm Knox, was it?

Ur obviously totally unaware of his reputation

 

[C_C]

Just how does the behaviour of Chappell etc relate in any way shape or form to the behaviour of Aussies relative to others TODAY

Quite simply, it doesnt.

Yay! Go ignorance!
Lets totally deny the effect of iconic figures on the cultural subsets they are icons of (ie, sportsmen influencing the sporting psyche of a nation).

As for your claim about attention, well let's see.

British/Italian/virtually any other nation of footballers or Australian - British etc

Chinese/German/virtually any other swimmer or Australian - Chinese etc


etc etc etc

Provide facts or stop talking nonsense

As i said, how very convinient to hide behind the politically correct nonsense when it suits you. How many players are gonna say 'this dude/chick was a total ******/b!tch on the field cussing and swearing like crazy' in some interview ?
Apparently in your world of fantasy, anything that isnt official record conviniently gets put into 'never quite happened'. I guess thats how you get the nutters who believe white Americans didnt discriminate against blacks on a government and institutional level because 'officially our laws forbade it'.

 

[pietersenrocks]

I think Darrell Hair should get another chance.It's just a mistake


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