Intro to Cricket

[Moe_Syzlak]

I notice there are breaks, for lunch and tea. What is a typical lunch? Can't be any thing heavy, is it sandwiches and fruit? And who provides lunch? (Just being funny here) Do the players wives pack a lunch, is the team reponsible, or does the host ground provide lunch? What about Pakistan (this is a serious query) and their prayers? I read in another article
(related to the Woolmer incident) that Ul-Haq would lead the team in prayers at all times. I'm sure a full day match covers the times Muslims should pray. Has that ever been an issue?

 

[Matt79]

I *think* generally the host ground always provides a lunch, some grounds definitely do - the lunch at Lord's ground in London is famous. I'd imagine some players would bring their own, but I think generally they're offered a pretty good selection.

Don't know about Muslim players and prayers - can't remember a game every stopping for prayers, although if it was on television, no doubt they would have taken a commercial break so I wouldn't have seen it.

 

[Moe_Syzlak]

OK so far so good, I am slowly but surely catching on. I installed a game for my palm pilot and that has helped, I want to make sure I am reading this correctly:

I Ul-Haq b SW 7
T Umar b SW 127
A Kamal run out 95
Y Khan * 75
M Hafeez * 36

b and SW I have not figured out, but "Izzy" got 7 runs before he was out, Umar got 127 runs, Kamal was run out after 95, and Khan and Hafeez each got 75 and 36 runs respectively (and partnered for 103 if you are curious) before play was stopped for the day. They are "not out" and will resume batting the next day. Kamal was 5 runs short of a "century".

For the pitching, I read this:
O R/Eco W
SK Warne 27 82(3.0) 2
GD McGrath 15 64(4.3) 0
DW Flemming 16 73(4.6) 0
SW Tait 11 58(5.3) 0
A Symonds 11 46(4.2) 0
SM Katich 13 39(3.0) 0

Here, O is overs, (6 balls) R is runs, E is Economy, how many runs per over. Does this include extras they allowed? This must be similar to ERA (earned run average) in baseball, which is complicted with all these rules as to who left the runner on base and if errors are involved. Basically the ERA is an average of how many runs the pitcher will allow over 9 (baseball) innings. And W is how many wickets. Warne has 2 of these. Is this only how many wickets the bowler hit? Or does it include a wicket a fielder or wicket keeper hit?

 

[nightprowler10]

OK so far so good, I am slowly but surely catching on. I installed a game for my palm pilot and that has helped, I want to make sure I am reading this correctly:

I Ul-Haq b SW 7
T Umar b SW 127
A Kamal run out 95
Y Khan * 75
M Hafeez * 36

b and SW I have not figured out, but "Izzy" got 7 runs before he was out, Umar got 127 runs, Kamal was run out after 95, and Khan and Hafeez each got 75 and 36 runs respectively (and partnered for 103 if you are curious) before play was stopped for the day. They are "not out" and will resume batting the next day. Kamal was 5 runs short of a "century".

For the pitching, I read this:
O R/Eco W
SK Warne 27 82(3.0) 2
GD McGrath 15 64(4.3) 0
DW Flemming 16 73(4.6) 0
SW Tait 11 58(5.3) 0
A Symonds 11 46(4.2) 0
SM Katich 13 39(3.0) 0

Here, O is overs, (6 balls) R is runs, E is Economy, who many runs per over. Does this include extras they allowed? This must be similar to ERA (earned run average) in baseball, which is complicted with all these rules as to who left the runner on base and if errors ar involved. Basically the ERA is an average of how many runs the pitcher will allow over 9 (baseball) innings. And W is how many wickets. Warne has 2 of these. Is this only how many wickets the bowler hit? Or does it include a wicket a fielder or wicket keeper hit?

The b in question is "bowled out" and the SW is the initials of the bowler that bowled the players out. In this case Shane Warne, as he's the only one from the bowling column to show wickets. Correct on all counts as far as the batsmen go.

The bowling (not pitching ) stats: O is overs, R is runs allowed, Eco is the Economy rate which is basically just the R divided by O. And yes, somewhat similar to the ERA in baseball.

As for your last question, the bowler is credited a wickets in the case of a bowled, caught behind, caught by another fielder, leg before wicket, stumped, hit wicket. Run outs are not credited to any bowler. Warne bowled out Inzy and Umar so he has two wickets, though he would've had two wickets if they were dismissed in any of the bolded manners of dismissals.

Hope that helps

 

[nightprowler10]

I have to say I keep thinking the old Marc Robbins is asking all these questions.

 

[Moe_Syzlak]

The bowling (not pitching ) stats

I have to say I keep thinking the old Marc Robbins is asking all these questions.

Yikes sorry about pitching, habit from baseball.
Who was Marc Robbins? I know about Stefano, the Italian who got into cricket. I read through that thread, lots of "sledging" with Richard and some other guys but it was helpful too. Cricket has all these idiosyncracies that are fascinating. This is the 3rd or 4th time I try to learn the game and this time it's all falling into place.

 

[Stefano]

Moe...

When a batsman is dismissed (regardless how), it is said that "a wicket has fallen".

So the word wicket can have several meanings, among which there are also.

1) The structure with the stumps and bails
2) A dismissal

So, When a batsman is dismissed:
- a wicket has fallen
- the batting team has lost a wicket.
- the fielding team has taken a wicket.

By the way: as nightprowler10 said, when a batsman is out because of a RUN OUT, the bowler will not be awarded with a wicket. However, in the scoreboard you will see which player has broken the stumps. His name is written in (brackets)

Australia vs South Africa. Look the South African innings. AB De Villiers Run out (Watson).

 

[Moe_Syzlak]

Moe...

When a batsman is dismissed (regardless how), it is said that "a wicket has fallen".


So the word wicket can have several meanings, among which there are also.

1) The structure with the stumps and bails
2) A dismissal

[/B]

So if the ball is caught on the fly, is this still referred to as "a wicket has fallen"?

So, When a batsman is dismissed:
- a wicket has fallen
- the batting team has lost a wicket.
- the fielding team has taken a wicket.

By the way: as nightprowler10 said, when a batsman is out because of a RUN OUT, the bowler will not be awarded with a wicket. However, in the scoreboard you will see which player has broken the stumps. His name is written in (brackets)

Australia vs South Africa. Look the South African innings. AB De Villiers Run out (Watson).

This part I unnderstand (I think)

 

[Mahindinho]

For our new Brazilian friend. Have a look to this site!

http://www.dangermouse.net/cricket/

Ha! Dangermouse is a friend of mine*. I'll have to tell him that someone's found it useful.

* I met him through Hattrick, an online football (soccer) game.

 

[Moe_Syzlak]

Ha! Dangermouse is a friend of mine*. I'll have to tell him that someone's found it useful.

* I met him through Hattrick, an online football (soccer) game.

I was actually reading through the Dangermouse site today. BTW, that's a Portuguese sounding name there, with the 'dinho' ending. Are you from Portugal or Brasil?

 

[Stefano]

Ha! Dangermouse is a friend of mine*. I'll have to tell him that someone's found it useful.

* I met him through Hattrick, an online football (soccer) game.

His site is very useful. I remember when I started watching cricket (2 years ago) I google searched: EXPLANATION OF CRICKET. And I found his site! I have to say that he is a very nice person, too. I have written him several messages with questions, and he has always answered me!

 

[Richard]

I have to say I keep thinking the old Marc Robbins is asking all these questions.

Yep.

 

[Dick Rockett]

Is this a wind-up?

 

[LA ICE-E]

OK, suppose he is on the 3rd ball of the 15 over (this is represented as 15.3, correct?) He hurts his arm and must come off (in this example, he faced the 3rd ball). He is ok after a couple overs. Does he get 6 new balls, or does he only face the three remaining from his over? What about a "bench"? Can players not in the starting lineup enter the game? Is there a limit to substitutions?

oh just to clear one thing out, a batsmen doesn't have any certain number of deliveries to be bowled to him. There's isn't a required number that a batsmen should face like in baseball(3 pitches). A batsmen could bat for say 50 deliveries and while some other batsmen could bat for 26 deliveries. It all depends on who is on the opposite end of the bowler. If say batsmen A rotates after the 2nd delivery to get three runs then he ends up on the same side of the bowler and so batsmen B is now facing the deliveries. Does that make it more confusing if so than could someone else explain what im trying to explain.

 

[Richard]

Is this a wind-up?

Marc is too responsible to dabble in dual accounts.

 

[nightprowler10]

Is this a wind-up?

In case you don't know what I mean, Marc used to have that Moe Syzlak avatar for the longest time.

 

[Dick Rockett]

Yeah, I remember that.

 

[Mahindinho]

I was actually reading through the Dangermouse site today. BTW, that's a Portuguese sounding name there, with the 'dinho' ending. Are you from Portugal or Brasil?

Nope. My name is actually Mahinda (it's a Sri Lankan name), and I always made it "Brazilian" when playing football games...and it sort of stuck.

Good luck with your cricketing adventure -- it's the greatest game on the planet!

 

[Stefano]

I would like to ask you some questions about partnerships and players retired hurt.

- Gilchrist and Hayden are batting.
- At 50 / 0, Hayden has to go out because of an injury.
- Ponting enters.
- At 100 / 0, Ponting is dismissed. 100 / 1, Hayden comes back
- At 150 / 1, he is dismissed. 150 / 2

Now, these are my questions:

- When does the 1st wicket partnership end? When Hayden goes out because of the injury (so it is a 50-run partnership)? Or are there two different 1st wicket parternships (Gilchrist and Hayden + Gilchrist and Ponting)? Or is the 1st wicket parternship formed by three players (Gilchrist, Hayden and Ponting)?

- What about the second partnership between Hayden and Gilchrist. Is that considered a new partnership (2nd wicket) or not? Or is Hayden/Gilchrist I summed with Hayden/Gilchrist II. So we have a 100-run partnership.

Thanks.

 

[Dasa]

- When does the 1st wicket partnership end? When Hayden goes out because of the injury (so it is a 50-run partnership)? Or are there two different 1st wicket parternships (Gilchrist and Hayden + Gilchrist and Ponting)? Or is the 1st wicket parternship formed by three players (Gilchrist, Hayden and Ponting)?

What you've described last - the first wicket partnership ends at the fall of the first wicket, and is formed by three players, although there might be a note at the end of the scorecard showing the circumstances of the partnership...like in this game.

- What about the second partnership between Hayden and Gilchrist. Is that considered a new partnership (2nd wicket) or not? Or is Hayden/Gilchrist I summed with Hayden/Gilchrist II. So we have a 100-run partnership.

Thanks.

The second partnership is considered a new partnership.